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From: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 22:45:04 +0100
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The Fiamm compressor (at least the period one like Road Master, Mercury 
or serie 2000) draws about 20/25A, about the same as two Lucas electric 
ones if they are the big ones. The later smaller H&L ones use quite a 
bit less.

The Fiamm horns sound and look very nice though. They do need 
maintainance though. A few drops of light oil every month.

Kees Oudesluijs



Op 20-1-2021 om 20:14 schreef Michael Oritt:
> A pair of FIAMM or equivalent air horns and the compressor for same 
> fits nicely onto the front face of the passenger toe box of my 100, 
> produces a loud and pleasant signal and consumes very little power.
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 7:44 AM Chris Dimmock <austin.healey@gmail.com 
>
>     Lucas horns are the crowns of the prince of darkness.
>     I love most Lucas stuff.
>     Except Lucas Horns.
>     Devils stuff.
>     The Lucas horn in my A40 Farina weighs 2.5 Kg.
>     Waste of everything
>
>
>
>>     On 20 Jan 2021, at 5:02 pm, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net
>>
>>      Man, those horns take a lot of juice. That's about the total
>>     output--25A, give or take--of a stock generator (maybe less at idle).
>>
>>     Anybody ever laid on the horns with the lights on?
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 1/19/2021 7:53 PM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE wrote:
>>>     The Brown/Green wire is the power supply for the horn. The brown
>>>     wire is connected to an unswitched power source, the A contact
>>>     on the regulator.
>>>
>>>     The wires are correct as is the 50 amp Lucas slow blow fuse.
>>>     Ref: AH 100 Service Manual.
>>>
>>>     Bill Lawrence
>>>     BN1 #554
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>     *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net>
>>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2021 5:51 PM
>>>     *Cc:* Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Late Monday night rant.
>>>     Nope. All wires were otherwise accounted-for; two were
>>>     'cross-colored.' The harness was brand new; I don't know of any
>>>     that supply extra wiring for separate turn signals, but I
>>>     haven't looked (would be a good idea, though).
>>>     bs
>>>
>>>     On 1/19/2021 9:05 AM, john harper wrote:
>>>>     Bob
>>>>     Could it be a wrong wire or an additional one?
>>>>
>>>>     I and many others in the UK feel that with just two red lights
>>>>     coming on is very confusing particularly as one enters a corner
>>>>     and brakes. This confusing array is therefore dangerous. In the
>>>>     UK amber turn lights have been mandatory for many years.
>>>>     Younger drivers would not understand anything but amber.
>>>>
>>>>     The mod we make for the back of the car is to add amber lights
>>>>     connected on the existing wires but connect both red stoplights
>>>>     to this additional wire. At the relay box, all is needed is one
>>>>     wire being redirected to the new wire.
>>>>
>>>>     On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 16:10, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net
>>>>
>>>>         Michael,
>>>>
>>>>         I feel your pain. My dad got a new harness for our BN2
>>>>         (probably from Moss). I thought the harness was good
>>>>         quality overall, and everything worked except the turn
>>>>         signals. I spent 3 days double-checking everything; we went
>>>>         so far as to open the relay box, but everything looked good
>>>>         in there. I eventually discovered the wiring to one of the
>>>>         rear brake/turn lights was mis-colored. This really pissed
>>>>         me off, as I'd wired a bare chassis just from the schematic
>>>>         and it would have been 100% correct if not for the
>>>>         misidentified wire. I'll probably never sell the car, but
>>>>         whoever ends up with it will be confused, as a couple of
>>>>         wires are interchanged from the schematic. Come to think of
>>>>         it, I should probably label the flaw ... as soon as I
>>>>         finish all the other stuff needs fixin'.
>>>>
>>>>         Bob
>>>>
>>>>         On 1/18/2021 11:38 PM, Michael MacLean wrote:
>>>>>         Was in the engine bay doing some preliminary wiring of
>>>>>         components tonight.  Specifically, the fuse block and the
>>>>>         voltage regulator. Looking at a wiring diagram, the way
>>>>>         you see in the two pictures is mostly correct, but look at
>>>>>         what the arrows are pointing at.  At the point in the
>>>>>         harness where the wires come out of the loom for the fuse
>>>>>         block, you can see on the right hand side the arrow is
>>>>>         pointing to a brown wire with a green stripe.  Good so
>>>>>         far.  Now look what the arrow is pointing at on the other
>>>>>         side of the fuse block.  It's a large solid brown wire. 
>>>>>         Now in the wiring diagram this brown wire is supposed to
>>>>>         be a continuation of the brown with a green stripe wire. 
>>>>>         That brown wire with the green strip that was supposed to
>>>>>         be there goes to the "A" connection of the voltage
>>>>>         regulator.  Now look at the picture of the voltage
>>>>>         regulator and notice what the orange arrow is pointing at.
>>>>>         It is the other end of the plain, large brown wire!  The
>>>>>         electrical connections are correct.  The color coding of
>>>>>         the harness is not.  I have just started wiring.  What
>>>>>         else might I find in the rest of the harness? This harness
>>>>>         was a gift from my late friend Tom Rocke.  It was one of
>>>>>         many free parts he supplied for this rebuild.  Don't know
>>>>>         if I should complain about a free harness.
>>>>>         Mike MacLean
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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    <p>The Fiamm compressor (at least the period one like Road Master,
      Mercury or serie 2000) draws about 20/25A, about the same as two
      Lucas electric ones if they are the big ones. The later smaller
      H&amp;L ones use quite a bit less.</p>
    <p>The Fiamm horns sound and look very nice though. They do need
      maintainance though. A few drops of light oil every month.</p>
    <p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 20-1-2021 om 20:14 schreef Michael
      Oritt:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAPTa0B56dMP7sok7W1c-dB2jgijb8BHHOzgRjs+qA-=MqG_N-Q@mail.gmail.com">
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      <div dir="ltr">
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff">A pair of FIAMM
          or equivalent air horns and the compressor for same fits
          nicely onto the front face of the passenger toe box of my 100,
          produces a loud and pleasant signal and consumes very little
          power.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff">Best--Michael
          Oritt</div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 7:44
          AM Chris Dimmock &lt;<a href="mailto:austin.healey@gmail.com";
            moz-do-not-send="true">austin.healey@gmail.com</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div dir="auto">
            <div dir="ltr">Lucas horns are the crowns of the prince of
              darkness. </div>
            <div dir="ltr">I love most Lucas stuff. </div>
            <div dir="ltr">Except Lucas Horns. </div>
            <div dir="ltr">Devils stuff. </div>
            <div dir="ltr">The Lucas horn in my A40 Farina weighs 2.5
              Kg. </div>
            <div dir="ltr">Waste of everything </div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="ltr"><br>
              <blockquote type="cite">On 20 Jan 2021, at 5:02 pm, Bob
                Spidell &lt;<a href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
                  target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
                <br>
              </blockquote>
            </div>
            <blockquote type="cite">
              <div dir="ltr"> Man, those horns take a lot of juice.
                That's about the total output--25A, give or take--of a
                stock generator (maybe less at idle).<br>
                <br>
                Anybody ever laid on the horns with the lights on? <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div>On 1/19/2021 7:53 PM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
                    The Brown/Green wire is the power supply for the
                    horn. The brown wire is connected to an unswitched
                    power source, the A contact on the regulator.</div>
                  <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
                    <br>
                  </div>
                  <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
                    The wires are correct as is the 50 amp Lucas slow
                    blow fuse. Ref: AH 100 Service Manual.</div>
                  <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
                    <br>
                  </div>
                  <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
                    Bill Lawrence</div>
                  <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
                    BN1 #554</div>
                  <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%">
                  <div id="gmail-m_-8226661001177326256divRplyFwdMsg"
                    dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
                      face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
                      Healeys <a
                        href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
                        target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
                      on behalf of Bob Spidell <a
                        href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
                        target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;bspidell@comcast.net&gt;</a><br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 19, 2021 5:51 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> john harper <a
                        href="mailto:ah100tech@gmail.com";
                        target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;ah100tech@gmail.com&gt;</a><br>
                      <b>Cc:</b> Healeys <a
                        href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                        target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Late Monday night
                      rant.</font>
                    <div> </div>
                  </div>
                  <div>Nope. All wires were otherwise accounted-for; two
                    were 'cross-colored.' The harness was brand new; I
                    don't know of any that supply extra wiring for
                    separate turn signals, but I haven't looked (would
                    be a good idea, though).<br>
                    bs<br>
                    <br>
                    <div>On 1/19/2021 9:05 AM, john harper wrote:<br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <div dir="ltr">Bob
                        <div>Could it be a wrong wire or an additional
                          one?</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>I and many others in the UK feel that with
                          just two red lights coming on is very
                          confusing particularly as one enters a corner
                          and brakes. This confusing array is therefore
                          dangerous. In the UK amber turn lights have
                          been mandatory for many years. Younger drivers
                          would not understand anything but amber.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>The mod we make for the back of the car is
                          to add amber lights connected on the existing
                          wires but connect both red stoplights to this
                          additional wire. At the relay box, all is
                          needed is one wire being redirected to the new
                          wire.</div>
                      </div>
                      <br>
                      <div>
                        <div dir="ltr">On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 16:10, Bob
                          Spidell &lt;<a
                            href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
                            target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt;
                          wrote:<br>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px
                          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                          rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                          <div>Michael,<br>
                            <br>
                            I feel your pain. My dad got a new harness
                            for our BN2 (probably from Moss). I thought
                            the harness was good quality overall, and
                            everything worked except the turn signals. I
                            spent 3 days double-checking everything; we
                            went so far as to open the relay box, but
                            everything looked good in there. I
                            eventually discovered the wiring to one of
                            the rear brake/turn lights was mis-colored.
                            This really pissed me off, as I'd wired a
                            bare chassis just from the schematic and it
                            would have been 100% correct if not for the
                            misidentified wire. I'll probably never sell
                            the car, but whoever ends up with it will be
                            confused, as a couple of wires are
                            interchanged from the schematic. Come to
                            think of it, I should probably label the
                            flaw ... as soon as I finish all the other
                            stuff needs fixin'.<br>
                            <br>
                            Bob<br>
                            <br>
                            <div>On 1/18/2021 11:38 PM, Michael MacLean
                              wrote:<br>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote type="cite">
                              <div>
                                <div dir="ltr">Was in the engine bay
                                  doing some preliminary wiring of
                                  components tonight.  Specifically, the
                                  fuse block and the voltage regulator. 
                                  Looking at a wiring diagram, the way
                                  you see in the two pictures is mostly
                                  correct, but look at what the arrows
                                  are pointing at.  At the point in the
                                  harness where the wires come out of
                                  the loom for the fuse block, you can
                                  see on the right hand side the arrow
                                  is pointing to a brown wire with a
                                  green stripe.  Good so far.  Now look
                                  what the arrow is pointing at on the
                                  other side of the fuse block.  It's a
                                  large solid brown wire.  Now in the
                                  wiring diagram this brown wire is
                                  supposed to be a continuation of the
                                  brown with a green stripe wire.  That
                                  brown wire with the green strip that
                                  was supposed to be there goes to the
                                  "A" connection of the voltage
                                  regulator.  Now look at the picture of
                                  the voltage regulator and notice what
                                  the orange arrow is pointing at. It is
                                  the other end of the plain, large
                                  brown wire!  The electrical
                                  connections are correct.  The color
                                  coding of the harness is not.  I have
                                  just started wiring.  What else might
                                  I find in the rest of the harness? 
                                  This harness was a gift from my late
                                  friend Tom Rocke.  It was one of many
                                  free parts he supplied for this
                                  rebuild.  Don't know if I should
                                  complain about a free harness.</div>
                                <div dir="ltr">Mike MacLean<br>
                                </div>
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                              <br>
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                            <br>
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