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Update.
GB reinstalled and all clear so far.
For interest was rear GB bearing. Layshaft was also graunched.
Also replaced the front tranny bearing.
To my mind noise was not systematic of a dodgy bearing, but you live and
learn.
Thanks to all for ideas and input.
rg
On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM Roger Grace via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
> M - thank you for your interest and ideas.
>
> Ok have just done another test session.
> All listening with one of those stethoscope things.
> Seems worst at rear area of GB.
>
> (a) Prop shaft connected.
> Both rear wheels free and wheels mounted.
> Same results for single wheel free.
> Noise is distinct when start in 4th at about 20 MPH; OD out; shift to
> neutral and cut ignition.
> As wheels slow down the noise becomes more pronounced and don't rally need
> scope to hear the beat - particularly as it approaches zero speed.
> At higher speed the the fast repetitions makes the sound of the individual
> beats blend together.
>
> (b) Prop shaft not connected and engine running
> In this mode not possible to do the shift to neutral and cut ignition
> routine as engine slows down too quickly.
> So run at as slow a speed as possible in the different gears.
> OD out
> all 3 gears similar.
> the beat sound not as loud as at (a) but do believe that is because of the
> background engine noise.
> So in 2nd was able to control speed best and at low speed could hear the
> individual beats at low speed.
> Could also hear the problem in 3rd and 4th but speed higher so not as
> distinct because of the increased RPM.
> 1st just too noisy for testing.
>
> Getting close to biting the bullet pulling it out ... grr !!
>
> rg
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Salter via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
> To: John Harper <ah100register@gmail.com>
> Cc: healeys@autox team. net <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 06:21:18 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise - Update
>
> The fact that you report :
> "With propshaft disconnected, am able hear noise in 2nd or 4th when
> slipping clutch (reduces speed)"
> Is probably significant. I would be making every effort to determine that
> 3rd gear eliminates the noise completely before going any further.
> Then carefully considering what is different in 2nd and 4th.
>
> M
>
>
> On Sun., Aug. 23, 2020, 5:41 a.m. John Harper via Healeys, <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> David
>>
>> Is your fan belt in good order. I had one that was 'lumpy' with some
>> cross sections being different to others. I had great difficulty working
>> out where the vibration came from. In the event it was the car that told me
>> by fracturing the dynamo bracket
>>
>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 03:54, David Porter <frogeye@porterscustom.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, then it is rotational for sure, not a bearing that is failing but
>>> perhaps already failed, perhaps allowing the O/D annulus to scrape the
>>> surrounding housing...though it did not sound like steel on aluminum to me.
>>> You have moved the noise from rear to midway.. perhaps if you haven't,
>>> check for a failed motor mount and the crank pulley scraping the cross
>>> member?? DP
>>>
>>>
>>> On August 22, 2020, at 6:46 PM, Roger Grace via Healeys <
>>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not a lot of progress...
>>>
>>> Brake cable is well clear of propshaft and securely clipped.
>>>
>>> Universal U joint/spline phasing is correct.
>>>
>>> Been doing lots of listening with stethoscope.
>>> With propshaft disconnected, am able hear noise in 2nd or 4th when
>>> slipping clutch (reduces speed)
>>> Assume is the same noise and less distinct because of the engine noise.
>>> Not nearly as distinct as when shaft is connected and rear wheels
>>> freewheeling in neutral and engine off.
>>> Loudest area seems to be rear GB casing near rear bearing.
>>> This still does not sound like a bearing to my ears ?
>>>
>>> Plan to try to get a 2nd expert opinion with younger ears !
>>>
>>> rg
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: David Nock <healeydoc@gmail.com>
>>> To: Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>, 'healeylist' <
>>> healeys@autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:47:51 -0600 (MDT)
>>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise
>>>
>>> Drive shaft hitting the handbrake cable when the car is jacked up.
>>> Probably
>>> will go away when sitting on the ground.
>>>
>>>
>>> David
>>> Nock
>>> healeydoc@sbcglobal.net
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>>> *From:*Roger Grace via Healeys
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 20, 2020 10:27 AM
>>> *To:*'healeylist'
>>> *Subject:* [Healeys] Mystery noise
>>>
>>> AH people - fighting a noise in my BJ8 that may or may not be
>>> serious.
>>> Reluctant to tear out the tranny unnecessarily and then to find it was
>>> something simple !
>>>
>>> Notice it at low speed (probably exists at driving speed but too much
>>> wind
>>> and engine
>>> noise) if shift to neutral and cut ignition to minimize engine
>>> and exhaust noise.
>>> Noise is pulsating - like a tire with a bad spot but seems to be at
>>>
>>> prop shaft speed.
>>>
>>> At first thought that it was at wheel speed and from R side.
>>> So changed out the R wheel bearing.
>>> No improvement
>>>
>>> Then while looking below noted that universals had some play.
>>> So changed out both universals.
>>> Rear brakes not dragging and no binding of wheels.
>>> No improvement.
>>>
>>> Did listening on hoist with others listening too. Consensus was that
>>> there
>>> was a noise at rear OD area as well as the pulsating one.
>>>
>>> So pulled annulus in situ and replaced both rear bearings. Quieter but
>>> still the pulsating noise while coasting in N.
>>>
>>> Sound file enclosed is a road test from about 15 MPH then shift to N and
>>> cut engine. Tunnel cover off.
>>>
>>> Able to replicate noise with engine on axle stands but not by turning a
>>> rear wheel by hand or with an e motor.
>>>
>>> Noise does appear to come from transmission.
>>>
>>> To verify is not diff removed one of the rear seats and noise doesn't
>>> appear to be coming from diff area.
>>> Disconnecting prop shaft to isolate diff not possible as need the
>>> inertia
>>> of the rear wheels to produce the pulsing.
>>>
>>> About 5k miles ago I changed out the larger OD front bearing (sourced
>>> from
>>>
>>> Moss ... ?) in the OD.
>>> OD works fine and transmission shifts and works OK without unusual
>>>
>>> noises.
>>>
>>> The pulsating/cyclical nature of the noise baffles me and not consistent
>>>
>>> with a bearing failure ?
>>>
>>> Given that it occurs in neutral with no gears meshing it surely is not a
>>> bad gear tooth etc.
>>> OD not engaged so it is locked so not likely there.
>>> Removed gearbox top cover and did inspection - nothing obvious.
>>> So to my mind this only leaves the GB rear bearing ?
>>> Or maybe a broken circlip or thrust washer and probably on main shaft
>>> external to gearbox ?
>>> or half shaft ?
>>>
>>> Any comments/thoughts appreciated from the more experienced
>>> among us.
>>> Tkx
>>> rg
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Update.</div><div>GB reinstalled and all clear so far=
.</div><div>For interest was rear GB bearing. Layshaft was also graunched.<=
br></div><div>Also replaced the front tranny bearing.</div><div>To my mind =
noise was not systematic of a dodgy bearing, but you live and learn.</div><=
div>Thanks to all for ideas and input.</div><div>rg<br></div></div><br><div=
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 23=
, 2020 at 12:04 PM Roger Grace via Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@au=
tox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid=
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>M - thank you for your intere=
st and ideas.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ok have just done another test s=
ession.<br></div><div>All listening with one of those stethoscope things.<b=
r></div><div>Seems worst at rear area of GB.<br></div><div><br></div><div>(=
a) Prop shaft connected.<br></div><div>Both rear wheels free and wheels mou=
nted.<br></div><div>Same results for single wheel free.<br></div><div>Noise=
is distinct when start in 4th at about 20 MPH; OD out; shift to neutral an=
d cut ignition.<br></div><div>As wheels slow down the noise becomes more pr=
onounced and don't rally need scope to hear the beat - particularly as =
it approaches zero speed.<br></div><div>At higher speed the the fast repeti=
tions makes the sound of the individual beats blend together.<br></div><div=
><br></div><div>(b) Prop shaft not connected and engine running<br></div><d=
iv>In this mode not possible to do the shift to neutral and cut ignition ro=
utine as engine slows down too quickly.<br></div><div>So run at as slow a s=
peed as possible in the different gears.<br></div><div>OD out<br></div><div=
>all 3 gears similar.<br></div><div>the beat sound not as loud as at (a) bu=
t do believe that is because of the background engine noise.</div><div>So i=
n 2nd was able to control speed best and at low speed could hear the indivi=
dual beats at low speed.<br></div><div>Could also hear the problem in 3rd a=
nd 4th but speed higher so not as distinct because of the increased RPM.<br=
></div><div>1st just too noisy for testing.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ge=
tting close to biting the bullet pulling it out ... grr !!<br></div><div><b=
r></div><div>rg<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=
----- Original Message -----<br>From: Michael Salter via Healeys <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.ne=
t</a>><br>To: John Harper <<a href=3D"mailto:ah100register@gmail.com"=
target=3D"_blank">ah100register@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: healeys@autox tea=
m. net <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">heal=
eys@autox.team.net</a>><br>Sent: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 06:21:18 -0600 (MDT)<b=
r>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise - Update<br></div><div><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">The fact that you report :=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">"<spa=
n style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">With propshaft disconne=
cted, am able hear noise in 2nd or 4th when slipping clutch (reduces speed)=
"</span><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-s=
ize:12.8px">Is probably significant.=C2=A0 I would be making every effort t=
o determine that 3rd gear eliminates the noise completely before going any =
further.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-seri=
f;font-size:12.8px">Then carefully considering what is different in 2nd and=
4th.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;f=
ont-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">M</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div></div></div>=
<div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Sun., Aug. 23, 2020, 5:41 a.m. John Harper via Healeys, <<a href=
=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net=
</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">David<div><br></div><div>Is your fan belt in good order.=
=C2=A0I had one that was 'lumpy' with some cross sections being dif=
ferent to others. I had great difficulty=C2=A0working out where the vibrati=
on came from. In the event it was the car that told me by fracturing=C2=A0t=
he dynamo bracket</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 03:54, David Porter <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:frogeye@porterscustom.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
">frogeye@porterscustom.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">Well, then it is rotational for s=
ure, not a bearing that is failing but perhaps already failed, perhaps allo=
wing the O/D annulus to scrape the surrounding housing...though it did not =
sound like steel on aluminum to me. You have moved the noise from rear to m=
idway.. perhaps if you haven't, check for a failed motor mount and the =
crank pulley scraping the cross member??=C2=A0 DP</p><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:Calibri"><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri"><br></span></span><div><b=
r></div><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri"><span style=3D"font-family:Cali=
bri">On August 22, 2020, at 6:46 PM, Roger Grace via Healeys <<a href=3D=
"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healey=
s@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></span></span><div><br></div><div><div><=
div>Not a lot of progress...<br></div><div><br></div><div>Brake cable is we=
ll clear of propshaft and securely clipped.</div><div><br></div><div>Univer=
sal U joint/spline phasing is correct.</div><div><br></div><div>Been doing =
lots of listening with stethoscope.<br></div><div>With propshaft disconnect=
ed, am able hear noise in 2nd or 4th when slipping clutch (reduces speed)<b=
r></div><div>Assume is the same noise and less distinct because of the engi=
ne noise.<br></div><div>Not nearly as distinct as when shaft is connected a=
nd rear wheels freewheeling in neutral and engine off.<br></div><div>Loudes=
t area seems to be rear GB casing near rear bearing.<br></div><div>This sti=
ll does not sound like a bearing to my ears ?<br></div><div><br></div><div>=
Plan to try to get a 2nd expert opinion with younger ears !<br></div><div><=
br></div><div>rg</div></div><div><br></div><div>----- Original Message ----=
-<br>From: David Nock <<a href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeydoc@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Roger Grace &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blan=
k">roggrace@telus.net</a>>, 'healeylist' <<a href=3D"mailto:h=
ealeys@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.t=
eam.net</a>><br>Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:47:51 -0600 (MDT)<br>Subject: =
Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise<br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div s=
tyle=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Century;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>Drive sha=
ft hitting the handbrake cable when the car is jacked up. Probably <br>will=
go away when sitting on the ground.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div=
><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Century;color:rgb(0,0,0)">David <=
br>Nock<br><a href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@sbcglobal.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">healeydoc@sbcglobal.net</a><br>209 948 <br>8767<br><a href=
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=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:no=
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10pt tahoma"><div>=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"background:rgb(245,245,245) non=
e repeat scroll 0% 0%"><div><b>From:</b><a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net"=
rel=3D"noreferrer">Roger Grace via Healeys</a><br></div><div><b>Sent:</b> =
Thursday, August 20, 2020 10:27 AM</div><div><b>To:</b><a title=3D"healeys@=
autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer">'healeylist'</a><br></div><div><=
b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Mystery noise</div></div></div><div>=C2=A0</div></=
div><div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;=
font-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline"><div>=
<div>AH people - fighting a noise in my BJ8 that may or may not be <br>seri=
ous.</div><div>Reluctant to tear out the tranny unnecessarily and then to f=
ind it was <br>something simple !<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Notice it =
at low speed (probably exists at driving speed but too much wind <br>and en=
gine <br>noise) if shift to neutral and cut ignition to minimize engine <br=
>and exhaust noise.</div><div>Noise is pulsating - like a tire with a bad s=
pot but seems to be at <br><div><br></div>prop shaft speed.</div><div>=C2=
=A0</div><div>At first thought that it was at wheel speed and from R side.<=
/div><div>So changed out the R wheel bearing.</div><div>No improvement</div=
><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Then while looking below noted that universals had s=
ome play.</div><div>So changed out both universals.</div><div>Rear brakes n=
ot dragging and no binding of wheels.</div><div>No improvement.</div><div>=
=C2=A0</div><div>Did listening on hoist with others listening too. Consensu=
s was that there <br>was a noise at rear OD area as well as the pulsating o=
ne.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>So pulled annulus in situ and replaced both =
rear bearings. Quieter but <br>still the pulsating noise while coasting in =
N.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Sound file enclosed is a road test from about=
15 MPH then shift to N and <br>cut engine. Tunnel cover off.<br></div><div=
>=C2=A0</div><div>Able to replicate noise with engine on axle stands but no=
t by turning a <br>rear wheel by hand or with an e motor.<br></div><div>=C2=
=A0</div><div>Noise does appear to come from transmission.<br></div><div><d=
iv>=C2=A0</div><div>To verify is not diff removed one of the rear seats and=
noise doesn't <br>appear to be coming from diff area.<br></div><div>Di=
sconnecting prop shaft to isolate diff not possible as need the inertia <br=
>of the rear wheels to produce the pulsing.</div></div><div>=C2=A0</div><di=
v>About 5k miles ago I changed out the larger OD front bearing (sourced fro=
m <br><div><br></div>Moss ... ?) in the OD.</div><div>OD works fine and tra=
nsmission shifts and works OK without unusual <br><div><br></div>noises.</d=
iv><div>=C2=A0</div><div>The pulsating/cyclical nature of the noise baffles=
me and not consistent <br><div><br></div>with a bearing failure ?</div><di=
v>=C2=A0</div><div>Given that it occurs in neutral with no gears meshing it=
surely is not a <br>bad gear tooth etc.<br></div><div>OD not engaged so it=
is locked so not likely there.<br></div><div>Removed gearbox top cover and=
did inspection - nothing obvious.<br></div><div>So to my mind this only le=
aves the GB rear bearing ?</div><div>Or maybe a broken circlip or thrust wa=
sher and probably on main shaft <br>external to gearbox ?<br></div><div>or =
half shaft ?<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div>Any comments/thoughts appreciated fr=
om the more experienced <br>among us. <br><div>Tkx</div><div>rg<br></div></=
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