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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Replacing the starter
From: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 23:10:50 +0100
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Probably caused by brushes not been replaced in time. You can sometimes 
find ones on eBay.co.uk: see eBay Item: 203059655556. This could well be 
the one you are looking for. You can find the correct number in the old 
Lucas books.

Kees Oudesluijs

Op 11-12-2020 om 22:50 schreef gradea1@charter.net:
> I just "yanked" my BJ8 starter after 70,000+ miles and took it to Don' 
> Auto Electric (he does Leno items),  The car was starting slowly and 
> in a "rolling" fashion and I had suspected a worn motor mount. No, it 
> was the starter-armature was egg shaped and Don said it was the worst 
> he has seen in 30 years! However, he also indicated that the Lucas 
> item was very robust and although he said he couldn't see how the car 
> was ever starting, it was.
>
> The bad news is that armatures, or rewound ones, are no where to be 
> found.  I finally located a used one in better shape than mine and he 
> is rebuilding the unit. Here are pics of a 60 year old working 
> starter. After about an hour of fiddling it will go right back on the 
> car without removing the tunnel or engine...hint: remove the oil 
> filter at the block connection and it makes it easier to fish.  Then 
> spend some quality time putting the two 9/16" bolts back in place. 
> More Healey fun, but who's going anywhere anyway? Hank, healeyhelper.com
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> From: "healeyguy--- via Healeys"
> To: "rfbegani@gmail.com"
> Cc: "healeys@autox.team.net"
> Sent: Thursday December 10 2020 6:01:06PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Replacing the starter with a gear reduction starter
>
> Bob
> Can't speak to the gear reduction units.
> Long ago, usually because original parts were not available, old 
> timers would try other British parts on our Austin Healeys to keep 
> those $300-$700 cars on the road. With some work a Lucas starter from 
> a Jaguar (in this case part number 26183B, pretty sure its from a Jag 
> MK2, will fit in a six cylinder AH. Fit issue is between the starter 
> case and the engine block. Some grinding or file work required. Anyway 
> these starters are a bit more stout and will spin the AH easily. I 
> don't have the specs on both starters but every thing seems to be 
> bigger in the Jag unit. As stated by others a stock starter will do 
> the job if its in good nick but how much regular maintenance gets done 
> on a starter. Just another piece of, perhaps, useless info.
> Perry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Begani <rfbegani@gmail.com>
> To: Ahealey help <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2020 2:55 pm
> Subject: [Healeys] Replacing the starter with a gear reduction starter
>
> You may remember I mentioned my BJ8 would not start after a run 
> because of overheating.  the engine did turn over with a wrench, and 
> 50 amp on the starter made it only moan.  So I will replace the 
> starter.  Many of you have recommended a gear reduction starter which 
> is available from Moss and others. What source do you recomend.?  
> Also, I see it shows an additional bulge which must be the gears.  
> Will it fit into my BJ8 engine compartment without having to remove 
> the engine? As it is I will have to take out the tunnel to get to the 
> starter bolts.
>
> Another item I should have replaced when I rebuilt the engine was the 
> oil pump.  When the engine is hot the oil pressure drops to less that 
> 20 psi at idle.  This engine was rebuilt with only 20 over and is 
> using the same cam etc.  what  oil pump should i install and is the 
> Moss pump a reasonable replacement?
> Regards,
> Bob Begani
>
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    <p>Probably caused by brushes not been replaced in time. You can
      sometimes find ones on eBay.co.uk: see eBay <span
        class="s-item__detail s-item__detail--secondary"><span
          class="s-item__item-id s-item__itemID">Item: 203059655556.
          This could well be the one you are looking for. You can find
          the correct number in the old Lucas books.<br>
        </span></span></p>
    <p><span class="s-item__detail s-item__detail--secondary"><span
          class="s-item__item-id s-item__itemID">Kees Oudesluijs<br>
        </span></span></p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 11-12-2020 om 22:50 schreef
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:gradea1@charter.net";>gradea1@charter.net</a>:<br>
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      I just "yanked" my BJ8 starter after 70,000+ miles and took it to
      Don' Auto Electric (he does Leno items),  The car was starting
      slowly and in a "rolling" fashion and I had suspected a worn motor
      mount. No, it was the starter-armature was egg shaped and Don said
      it was the worst he has seen in 30 years! However, he also
      indicated that the Lucas item was very robust and although he said
      he couldn't see how the car was ever starting, it was. 
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>The bad news is that armatures, or rewound ones, are no where
        to be found.  I finally located a used one in better shape than
        mine and he is rebuilding the unit. Here are pics of a 60 year
        old working starter. After about an hour of fiddling it will go
        right back on the car without removing the tunnel or
        engine...hint: remove the oil filter at the block connection and
        it makes it easier to fish.  Then spend some quality time
        putting the two 9/16" bolts back in place. More Healey fun, but
        who's going anywhere anyway? Hank, healeyhelper.com<br>
        <br>
        <p>-----------------------------------------</p>
        From: "healeyguy--- via Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net><br>
          To: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com";>"rfbegani@gmail.com"</a><br>
          Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>"healeys@autox.team.net"</a><br>
          Sent: Thursday December 10 2020 6:01:06PM<br>
          Subject: Re: [Healeys] Replacing the starter with a gear
          reduction starter<br>
          <br>
          Bob<br>
          Can't speak to the gear reduction units.<br>
          Long ago, usually because original parts were not available,
          old timers would try other British parts on our Austin Healeys
          to keep those $300-$700 cars on the road. With some work a
          Lucas starter from a Jaguar (in this case part number 26183B,
          pretty sure its from a Jag MK2, will fit in a six cylinder AH.
          Fit issue is between the starter case and the engine block.
          Some grinding or file work required. Anyway these starters are
          a bit more stout and will spin the AH easily. I don't have the
          specs on both starters but every thing seems to be bigger in
          the Jag unit. As stated by others a stock starter will do the
          job if its in good nick but how much regular maintenance gets
          done on a starter. Just another piece of, perhaps, useless
          info. <br>
          Perry<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          -----Original Message-----<br>
          From: Bob Begani <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com";>&lt;rfbegani@gmail.com&gt;</a><br>
          To: Ahealey help <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br>
          Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2020 2:55 pm<br>
          Subject: [Healeys] Replacing the starter with a gear reduction
          starter<br>
          <br>
          You may remember I mentioned my BJ8 would not start after a
          run because of overheating.  the engine did turn over with a
          wrench, and 50 amp on the starter made it only moan.  So I
          will replace the starter.  Many of you have recommended a gear
          reduction starter which is available from Moss and others. 
          What source do you recomend.?  Also, I see it shows an
          additional bulge which must be the gears.  Will it fit into my
          BJ8 engine compartment without having to remove the engine? 
          As it is I will have to take out the tunnel to get to the
          starter bolts.<br>
          <br>
          Another item I should have replaced when I rebuilt the engine
          was the oil pump.  When the engine is hot the oil pressure
          drops to less that 20 psi at idle.  This engine was rebuilt
          with only 20 over and is using the same cam etc.  what  oil
          pump should i install and is the Moss pump a reasonable
          replacement?<br>
          Regards,<br>
          Bob Begani<br>
          <br>
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