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M - thank you for your interest and ideas.
Ok have just done another test session.
All listening with one of those stethoscope things.
Seems worst at rear area of GB.
(a) Prop shaft connected.
Both rear wheels free and wheels mounted.
Same results for single wheel free.
Noise is distinct when start in 4th at about 20 MPH; OD out; shift to neutral
and cut ignition.
As wheels slow down the noise becomes more pronounced and don't rally need
scope to hear the beat - particularly as it approaches zero speed.
At higher speed the the fast repetitions makes the sound of the individual
beats blend together.
(b) Prop shaft not connected and engine running
In this mode not possible to do the shift to neutral and cut ignition routine
as engine slows down too quickly.
So run at as slow a speed as possible in the different gears.
OD out
all 3 gears similar.
the beat sound not as loud as at (a) but do believe that is because of the
background engine noise.So in 2nd was able to control speed best and at low
speed could hear the individual beats at low speed.
Could also hear the problem in 3rd and 4th but speed higher so not as distinct
because of the increased RPM.
1st just too noisy for testing.
Getting close to biting the bullet pulling it out ... grr !!
rg
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Salter via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
To: John Harper <ah100register@gmail.com>
Cc: healeys@autox team. net <healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 06:21:18 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise - Update
The fact that you report : "With propshaft disconnected, am able hear noise in
2nd or 4th when slipping clutch (reduces speed)"Is probably significant. I
would be making every effort to determine that 3rd gear eliminates the noise
completely before going any further.Then carefully considering what is
different in 2nd and 4th.
M
On Sun., Aug. 23, 2020, 5:41 a.m. John Harper via Healeys,
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
David
Is your fan belt in good order. I had one that was 'lumpy' with some cross
sections being different to others. I had great difficulty working out where
the vibration came from. In the event it was the car that told me by fracturing
the dynamo bracket
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 03:54, David Porter <frogeye@porterscustom.com> wrote:
Well, then it is rotational for sure, not a bearing that is failing but perhaps
already failed, perhaps allowing the O/D annulus to scrape the surrounding
housing...though it did not sound like steel on aluminum to me. You have moved
the noise from rear to midway.. perhaps if you haven't, check for a failed
motor mount and the crank pulley scraping the cross member?? DP
On August 22, 2020, at 6:46 PM, Roger Grace via Healeys
<healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
Not a lot of progress...
Brake cable is well clear of propshaft and securely clipped.
Universal U joint/spline phasing is correct.
Been doing lots of listening with stethoscope.
With propshaft disconnected, am able hear noise in 2nd or 4th when slipping
clutch (reduces speed)
Assume is the same noise and less distinct because of the engine noise.
Not nearly as distinct as when shaft is connected and rear wheels freewheeling
in neutral and engine off.
Loudest area seems to be rear GB casing near rear bearing.
This still does not sound like a bearing to my ears ?
Plan to try to get a 2nd expert opinion with younger ears !
rg
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Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:47:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise
Drive shaft hitting the handbrake cable when the car is jacked up. Probably
will go away when sitting on the ground. David
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Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 10:27 AMTo:'healeylist'
Subject: [Healeys] Mystery noise AH people - fighting a noise in my BJ8 that
may or may not be
serious.Reluctant to tear out the tranny unnecessarily and then to find it was
something simple !
Notice it at low speed (probably exists at driving speed but too much wind
and engine
noise) if shift to neutral and cut ignition to minimize engine
and exhaust noise.Noise is pulsating - like a tire with a bad spot but seems to
be at
prop shaft speed. At first thought that it was at wheel speed and from R
side.So changed out the R wheel bearing.No improvement Then while looking below
noted that universals had some play.So changed out both universals.Rear brakes
not dragging and no binding of wheels.No improvement. Did listening on hoist
with others listening too. Consensus was that there
was a noise at rear OD area as well as the pulsating one. So pulled annulus in
situ and replaced both rear bearings. Quieter but
still the pulsating noise while coasting in N. Sound file enclosed is a road
test from about 15 MPH then shift to N and
cut engine. Tunnel cover off.
Able to replicate noise with engine on axle stands but not by turning a
rear wheel by hand or with an e motor.
Noise does appear to come from transmission.
To verify is not diff removed one of the rear seats and noise doesn't
appear to be coming from diff area.
Disconnecting prop shaft to isolate diff not possible as need the inertia
of the rear wheels to produce the pulsing. About 5k miles ago I changed out the
larger OD front bearing (sourced from
Moss ... ?) in the OD.OD works fine and transmission shifts and works OK
without unusual
noises. The pulsating/cyclical nature of the noise baffles me and not
consistent
with a bearing failure ? Given that it occurs in neutral with no gears meshing
it surely is not a
bad gear tooth etc.
OD not engaged so it is locked so not likely there.
Removed gearbox top cover and did inspection - nothing obvious.
So to my mind this only leaves the GB rear bearing ?Or maybe a broken circlip
or thrust washer and probably on main shaft
external to gearbox ?
or half shaft ?
Any comments/thoughts appreciated from the more experienced
among us.
Tkxrg
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<html><head><style> body {height: 100%; color:#000000; font-size:12pt; font=
-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;}</style></head><body><div>M - thank you=
for your interest and ideas.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ok have just don=
e another test session.<br></div><div>All listening with one of those steth=
oscope things.<br></div><div>Seems worst at rear area of GB.<br></div><div>=
<br></div><div>(a) Prop shaft connected.<br></div><div>Both rear wheels fre=
e and wheels mounted.<br></div><div>Same results for single wheel free.<br>=
</div><div>Noise is distinct when start in 4th at about 20 MPH; OD out; shi=
ft to neutral and cut ignition.<br></div><div>As wheels slow down the noise=
becomes more pronounced and don't rally need scope to hear the beat - part=
icularly as it approaches zero speed.<br></div><div>At higher speed the the=
fast repetitions makes the sound of the individual beats blend together.<b=
r></div><div><br></div><div>(b) Prop shaft not connected and engine running=
<br></div><div>In this mode not possible to do the shift to neutral and cut=
ignition routine as engine slows down too quickly.<br></div><div>So run at=
as slow a speed as possible in the different gears.<br></div><div>OD out<b=
r></div><div>all 3 gears similar.<br></div><div>the beat sound not as loud =
as at (a) but do believe that is because of the background engine noise.</d=
iv><div>So in 2nd was able to control speed best and at low speed could hea=
r the individual beats at low speed.<br></div><div>Could also hear the prob=
lem in 3rd and 4th but speed higher so not as distinct because of the incre=
ased RPM.<br></div><div>1st just too noisy for testing.<br data-mce-bogus=
=3D"1"></div><div><br></div><div>Getting close to biting the bullet pulling=
it out ... grr !!<br></div><div><br></div><div>rg<br></div><div><br></div>=
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>----- Original Message -----<br>From: Mi=
chael Salter via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net><br>To: John Harper =
<ah100register@gmail.com><br>Cc: healeys@autox team. net <healeys@=
autox.team.net><br>Sent: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 06:21:18 -0600 (MDT)<br>Subjec=
t: Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise - Update<br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">The fact that you report : <div dir=3D"auto">"<span style=3D"fo=
nt-family: sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: s=
ans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;">With propshaft disconnected, am able hear no=
ise in 2nd or 4th when slipping clutch (reduces speed)"</span><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><span style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;" data-mce-s=
tyle=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;">Is probably significan=
t. I would be making every effort to determine that 3rd gear eliminat=
es the noise completely before going any further.</span></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><span style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;" data-mce-s=
tyle=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;">Then carefully conside=
ring what is different in 2nd and 4th.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span =
style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;" data-mce-style=3D"fon=
t-family: sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><span style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;" data-mce-styl=
e=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;">M</span></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><span style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;" data-mce=
-style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;"><br></span></div></d=
iv></div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun., Aug. 23, 2020, 5:41 a.m. John Harper via Healeys, =
<<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" data-mce-hr=
ef=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; bor=
der-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0 0=
0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
David<div><br></div><div>Is your fan belt in good order. I had one tha=
t was 'lumpy' with some cross sections being different to others. I had gre=
at difficulty working out where the vibration came from. In the event =
it was the car that told me by fracturing the dynamo bracket</div></di=
v><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On S=
un, 23 Aug 2020 at 03:54, David Porter <<a href=3D"mailto:frogeye@porter=
scustom.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:f=
rogeye@porterscustom.com">frogeye@porterscustom.com</a>> wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; bord=
er-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;"><p di=
r=3D"ltr">Well, then it is rotational for sure, not a bearing that is faili=
ng but perhaps already failed, perhaps allowing the O/D annulus to scrape t=
he surrounding housing...though it did not sound like steel on aluminum to =
me. You have moved the noise from rear to midway.. perhaps if you haven't, =
check for a failed motor mount and the crank pulley scraping the cross memb=
er?? DP</p><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri;" data-mce-style=3D"fo=
nt-family: Calibri;"><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri;" data-mce-style=
=3D"font-family: Calibri;"><br></span></span><div><br></div><span style=3D"=
font-family: Calibri;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Calibri;"><span style=
=3D"font-family: Calibri;" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: Calibri;">On Augu=
st 22, 2020, at 6:46 PM, Roger Grace via Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:heal=
eys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" data-mce-href=3D"m=
ailto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></sp=
an></span><div><br></div><div><div><div>Not a lot of progress...<br></div><=
div><br></div><div>Brake cable is well clear of propshaft and securely clip=
ped.</div><div><br></div><div>Universal U joint/spline phasing is correct.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Been doing lots of listening with stethoscope.<br>=
</div><div>With propshaft disconnected, am able hear noise in 2nd or 4th wh=
en slipping clutch (reduces speed)<br></div><div>Assume is the same noise a=
nd less distinct because of the engine noise.<br></div><div>Not nearly as d=
istinct as when shaft is connected and rear wheels freewheeling in neutral =
and engine off.<br></div><div>Loudest area seems to be rear GB casing near =
rear bearing.<br></div><div>This still does not sound like a bearing to my =
ears ?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Plan to try to get a 2nd expert opinion=
with younger ears !<br></div><div><br></div><div>rg</div></div><div><br></=
div><div>----- Original Message -----<br>From: David Nock <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:healeydoc@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" data-mce-hre=
f=3D"mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com";>healeydoc@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Roger G=
race <<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net";>roggrace@telus.net</a>=
>, 'healeylist' <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"=
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healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:47:51 -0600 (MD=
T)<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise<br></div><div><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Century; color: #00000=
0;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Century; color: #000000=
;"><div>Drive shaft hitting the handbrake cable when the car is jacked up. =
Probably <br>will go away when sitting on the ground.</div><div> </div=
><div> </div><div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Century; colo=
r: #000000;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Century; color=
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<a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer">'healeylist'</a><br>=
</div><div><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Mystery noise</div></div></div><div>&n=
bsp;</div></div><div style=3D"font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font=
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; font-family: Calibri; font-weight: normal; color: #000000; font-style: no=
rmal; display: inline;"><div><div>AH people - fighting a noise in my BJ8 th=
at may or may not be <br>serious.</div><div>Reluctant to tear out the trann=
y unnecessarily and then to find it was <br>something simple !<br></div><di=
v> </div><div>Notice it at low speed (probably exists at driving speed=
but too much wind <br>and engine <br>noise) if shift to neutral and cut ig=
nition to minimize engine <br>and exhaust noise.</div><div>Noise is pulsati=
ng - like a tire with a bad spot but seems to be at <br><div><br></div>prop=
shaft speed.</div><div> </div><div>At first thought that it was at wh=
eel speed and from R side.</div><div>So changed out the R wheel bearing.</d=
iv><div>No improvement</div><div> </div><div>Then while looking below =
noted that universals had some play.</div><div>So changed out both universa=
ls.</div><div>Rear brakes not dragging and no binding of wheels.</div><div>=
No improvement.</div><div> </div><div>Did listening on hoist with othe=
rs listening too. Consensus was that there <br>was a noise at rear OD area =
as well as the pulsating one.</div><div> </div><div>So pulled annulus =
in situ and replaced both rear bearings. Quieter but <br>still the pulsatin=
g noise while coasting in N.</div><div> </div><div>Sound file enclosed=
is a road test from about 15 MPH then shift to N and <br>cut engine. Tunne=
l cover off.<br></div><div> </div><div>Able to replicate noise with en=
gine on axle stands but not by turning a <br>rear wheel by hand or with an =
e motor.<br></div><div> </div><div>Noise does appear to come from tran=
smission.<br></div><div><div> </div><div>To verify is not diff removed=
one of the rear seats and noise doesn't <br>appear to be coming from diff =
area.<br></div><div>Disconnecting prop shaft to isolate diff not possible a=
s need the inertia <br>of the rear wheels to produce the pulsing.</div></di=
v><div> </div><div>About 5k miles ago I changed out the larger OD fron=
t bearing (sourced from <br><div><br></div>Moss ... ?) in the OD.</div><div=
>OD works fine and transmission shifts and works OK without unusual <br><di=
v><br></div>noises.</div><div> </div><div>The pulsating/cyclical natur=
e of the noise baffles me and not consistent <br><div><br></div>with a bear=
ing failure ?</div><div> </div><div>Given that it occurs in neutral wi=
th no gears meshing it surely is not a <br>bad gear tooth etc.<br></div><di=
v>OD not engaged so it is locked so not likely there.<br></div><div>Removed=
gearbox top cover and did inspection - nothing obvious.<br></div><div>So t=
o my mind this only leaves the GB rear bearing ?</div><div>Or maybe a broke=
n circlip or thrust washer and probably on main shaft <br>external to gearb=
ox ?<br></div><div>or half shaft ?<br></div><div> </div>Any comments/t=
houghts appreciated from the more experienced <br>among us. <br><div>Tkx</d=
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