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=E2=80=9CFlirted=E2=80=9D? To tell the truth, I=E2=80=99d never given it =
much thought but had =E2=80=9Cassumed=E2=80=9D that the US had resisted =
metrification. Don=E2=80=99t I recall that all oil-producing kit is =
Imperial because of US domination in that area? And =
planes=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6?
I do know that, when Ted =E2=80=9CThe Grocer=E2=80=9D Heath dragged the =
UK into the Common Market, we were supposed to go Metric. There were =
some hiccups along the way. A pint of beer remains a pint. As did a pint =
of milk whilst milk bottles still existed.=20
EU: =E2=80=9CYou must cease drinking pints forthwith. You will =
obey=E2=80=9D.
UK: =E2=80=9CWon=E2=80=99t. Can=E2=80=99t. Shan=E2=80=99t=E2=80=9D.
Etcetc Finally:
EU: =E2=80=9CYou will obey=E2=80=9D.
UK: =E2=80=9COK. We will keep pint glasses (From which we will drink =
proper beer unlike your pallid Europ*ss). We will refer to those glasses =
as =E2=80=9Cpints=E2=80=9D whilst acknowledging that they contain
568.261ml litres each.
EU: =E2=80=9CZut, alors. We surrender. Have some cheese=E2=80=9D.
Aren=E2=80=99t we all allowed the occasional rant?
Simon
=20
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From: i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com>=20
Sent: 24 April 2020 02:55
To: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com>
Cc: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com; Patrick & Caroline Quinn =
<p_cquinn@tpg.com.au>; Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
=20
When the US flirted with metrifying and production when to canada and =
mexico they made standard threaded bolts with metric heads so factories =
there could use metric tools
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
59 BN4
67MGB
65 AH Sprite
phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
=20
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:17 PM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com =
I think you have it backwards. The original GM design would have used =
the UNC thread pattern with a 9/16=E2=80=9D bolt head. The design =
predated metrification in the US by a few decades. When Rover went =
metric, sometime in the 80s probably, they retained the US standard =
thread pattern while changing to a metric standard bolt head. It would =
probably have been more costly to retool the engine castings to switch =
to a metric thread pattern.
=20
Bill Lawrence=20
BN1 #554
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Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 7:13 PM
Cc: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com =
<simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com =
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant=20
=20
Gm did that to rationalize tools as you say, but save money on not =
converting thread and pitch to metric. I had a 87 Olds with that exact =
situation. But also standards bolts heads too in some areas.=20
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
59 BN4
67MGB
65 AH Sprite
phone makes it's own choices. Forgive typos
=20
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 11:39 AM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <ynotink@msn.com =
In the midst of my recent Rover V8 rebuild I was surprised to discover =
that while all of the fasteners used metric wrench sizes many in the =
short block used the UNC thread type ie: a 3/8" coarse bolt with a 13 mm =
head. I assume that Rover simply continued the UNC pattern of the =
original GM castings and changed the head size to simplify tool =
inventory.
=20
Bill Lawrence
BN1 #554
_____ =20
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com =
<simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com =
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 12:20 AM
To: 'Patrick & Caroline Quinn' <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au =
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant=20
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I have a vague memory of what we called =E2=80=9CTransitional =
Rovers=E2=80=9D ie a mix of Imperial and Metric. All =C2=BE tonner long =
wheel-base. All UK based. They may have been peculiar to the army.
Glad I wasn=E2=80=99t in REME=E2=80=A6..they had to maintain them.
Simon
=20
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
Caroline Quinn
Sent: 23 April 2020 00:23
'Michael MacLean' <rrengineer.mike@att.net =
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
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G=E2=80=99day
=20
Not long after I bought my first 100 back in 1972 I turned 21 and one of =
the birthday gifts I received was a set of BSF spanners and sockets. I =
still have them.
=20
Now I have three sets of tools. BSF for the Healey Saloon. AF for the =
100 BN3 and metric for the Hilux, Mercedes and around the house. There =
are many variations of each for specific purposes.
=20
Hoo Roo
=20
Patrick Quinn
Blue Mountains, Australia
=20
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David =
Nock
Sent: Wednesday, 22 April 2020 11:59 PM
To: Michael MacLean
Cc: Healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Today's Rant
=20
All the threads on the 100/4 engine are BSF not Whitworth. Whitworth is =
a coarse thread.=20
However the wrench sizes are interchangeable. They are one size apart =
from each other.=20
=20
The threads on the small plate are 1/4 bsf and the gen bracket is 5/16 =
bsf. Also look close there are some of the studs that go thru into the =
cooling system.=20
David Nock
=20
Sent from my iPhone
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On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net =
=EF=BB=BF
So, I am getting ready to install the head on my 100 short block. Made =
sure all the intake valves have the new seals I bought from British Car =
Specialists plus the new set of springs I already had for the valves. =
The two mating surfaces were cleaned with a white (finest grit) Roloc =
brush. I have the correct head gasket (copper faced). Tonight was the =
night to torque the head down to the block. My surprise, for some =
stupid reason I only ordered 8 new head nuts. I managed to order the =
correct amount of washer for the head. No idea what my pea brain was =
thinking. Also found out the head nuts are Whitworth (3/8") size. I =
have a Whitworth socket set, so tragedy averted there. I seem to =
remember someone talking about the water jacket blanking plate earlier =
this week. That made me look at the front of my block. Three studs and =
an empty hole. No cover. I managed to find two blanking covers in my =
stash of parts and a gasket in my gasket set. Woohoo, but no nuts or =
lock washers. Can someone tell me if these little nuts that I do not =
have are Whitworth nuts. If so, what size? I have a generator bracket, =
but there are no threaded studs for the block or nuts to mount it with. =
Once again, Whitworth? The closer I get to putting this together the =
more stuff I find out I don't have.
Mike MacLean
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>=E2=80=9CFlirted=E2=80=9D? To tell =
the truth, I=E2=80=99d never given it much thought but had =
=E2=80=9Cassumed=E2=80=9D that the US had resisted metrification. =
Don=E2=80=99t I recall that all oil-producing kit is Imperial because of =
US domination in that area? And =
planes=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I do know =
that, when Ted =E2=80=9CThe Grocer=E2=80=9D Heath dragged the UK into =
the Common Market, we were supposed to go Metric. There were some =
hiccups along the way. A pint of beer remains a pint. As did a pint of =
milk whilst milk bottles still existed. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>EU: =
=E2=80=9CYou must cease drinking pints forthwith. You will =
obey=E2=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>UK: =E2=80=9CWon=E2=80=99t. =
Can=E2=80=99t. Shan=E2=80=99t=E2=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Etcetc =
Finally:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>EU: =E2=80=9CYou will =
obey=E2=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>UK: =E2=80=9COK. We will keep pint =
glasses (From which we will drink proper beer unlike your pallid =
Europ*ss). We will refer to those glasses as =E2=80=9Cpints=E2=80=9D =
whilst acknowledging that they contain<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>568.261ml =
litres each.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>EU: =E2=80=9CZut, alors. We =
surrender. Have some cheese=E2=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Aren=E2=80=99t we all allowed the =
occasional rant?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> i erbs =
<eyera3000@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> 24 April 2020 =
02:55<br><b>To:</b> WILLIAM B LAWRENCE =
<ynotink@msn.com><br><b>Cc:</b> simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com; =
Patrick & Caroline Quinn <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au>; Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Today's =
Rant<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>When the US flirted with metrifying and =
production when to canada and mexico they made standard threaded bolts =
with metric heads so factories there could use metric =
tools<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ira =
Erbs<br>Portland,OR<br>59 BN4<br>67MGB<br>65 AH Sprite<br>phone makes =
it's own choices. Forgive typos<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:17 PM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <<a =
href=3D"mailto:ynotink@msn.com";>ynotink@msn.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I think you have it backwards. The original GM design =
would have used the UNC thread pattern with a 9/16=E2=80=9D bolt head. =
The design predated metrification in the US by a few decades. When Rover =
went metric, sometime in the 80s probably, they retained the US standard =
thread pattern while changing to a metric standard bolt head. It would =
probably have been more costly to retool the engine castings to switch =
to a metric thread pattern.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bill Lawrence <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>BN1 #554<o:p></o:p></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal =
align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"98%" =
align=3Dcenter></div><div id=3D"m_6037447791772944075divRplyFwdMsg"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'color:black'> i erbs <<a href=3D"mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">eyera3000@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, =
April 23, 2020 7:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <<a =
href=3D"mailto:ynotink@msn.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">ynotink@msn.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>>; Patrick =
& Caroline Quinn <<a href=3D"mailto:p_cquinn@tpg.com.au"; =
target=3D"_blank">p_cquinn@tpg.com.au</a>>; Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Healeys] Today's Rant</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Gm did that to =
rationalize tools as you say, but save money on not converting thread =
and pitch to metric. I had a 87 Olds with that exact situation. But also =
standards bolts heads too in some areas. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ira Erbs<br>Portland,OR<br>59 BN4<br>67MGB<br>65 AH =
Sprite<br>phone makes it's own choices. Forgive =
typos<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 11:39 AM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <<a =
href=3D"mailto:ynotink@msn.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">ynotink@msn.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>In the =
midst of my recent Rover V8 rebuild I was surprised to discover that =
while all of the fasteners used metric wrench sizes many in the short =
block used the UNC thread type ie: a 3/8" coarse bolt with a 13 mm =
head. I assume that Rover simply continued the UNC pattern of the =
original GM castings and changed the head size to simplify tool =
inventory.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Bill =
Lawrence<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>BN1 =
#554<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"98%" =
align=3Dcenter></div><div =
id=3D"m_6037447791772944075x_m_2173325284267159273divRplyFwdMsg"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'color:black'> Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of <a =
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</=
b> Thursday, April 23, 2020 12:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Patrick & =
Caroline Quinn' <<a href=3D"mailto:p_cquinn@tpg.com.au"; =
target=3D"_blank">p_cquinn@tpg.com.au</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Healeys' =
<<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Healeys] Today's Rant</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p>I have a =
vague memory of what we called =E2=80=9CTransitional Rovers=E2=80=9D ie =
a mix of Imperial and Metric. All =C2=BE tonner long wheel-base. All UK =
based. They may have been peculiar to the army.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Glad I =
wasn=E2=80=99t in REME=E2=80=A6..they had to maintain =
them.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Simon<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><div><=
div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0cm 0cm 0cm'><p><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US> Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Patrick & Caroline Quinn<br><b>Sent:</b> 23 April 2020 =
00:23<br><b>To:</b> 'David Nock' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeydoc@gmail.com</a>>; 'Michael MacLean' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> =
'Healeys' <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Healeys] Today's =
Rant</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
lang=3DEN-AU>G=E2=80=99day</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
lang=3DEN-AU> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=3DEN-AU>Not long =
after I bought my first 100 back in 1972 I turned 21 and one of the =
birthday gifts I received was a set of BSF spanners and sockets. I still =
have them.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
lang=3DEN-AU> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=3DEN-AU>Now I =
have three sets of tools. BSF for the Healey Saloon. AF for the 100 BN3 =
and metric for the Hilux, Mercedes and around the house. There are many =
variations of each for specific purposes.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
lang=3DEN-AU> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=3DEN-AU>Hoo =
Roo</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
lang=3DEN-AU> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=3DEN-AU>Patrick =
Quinn</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=3DEN-AU>Blue Mountains, =
Australia</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
lang=3DEN-AU> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></=
b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Healeys [<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>David Nock<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 22 April 2020 11:59 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Michael MacLean<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Healeys<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Today's =
Rant</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span =
lang=3DEN-AU> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=3DEN-AU>All the =
threads on the 100/4 engine are BSF not Whitworth. Whitworth is a =
coarse thread. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p><span =
lang=3DEN-AU>However the wrench sizes are interchangeable. They are one =
size apart from each =
other. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p><span =
lang=3DEN-AU> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-AU>The threads on the =
small plate are 1/4 bsf and the gen bracket is 5/16 bsf. Also look close =
there are some of the studs that go thru into the cooling =
system. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p><span lang=3DEN-AU>David =
Nock</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p><span =
lang=3DEN-AU> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p><span =
lang=3DEN-AU>Sent from my iPhone</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-AU> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-AU>On Apr 21, 2020, at =
10:18 PM, Michael MacLean <<a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>> =
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p><span =
lang=3DEN-AU =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>=EF=BB=BF</span><o:p></o:p></p>=
<div><div><p><span lang=3DEN-AU>So, I am getting ready to install the =
head on my 100 short block. Made sure all the intake valves have =
the new seals I bought from British Car Specialists plus the new set of =
springs I already had for the valves. The two mating surfaces were =
cleaned with a white (finest grit) Roloc brush. I have the correct =
head gasket (copper faced). Tonight was the night to torque the =
head down to the block. My surprise, for some stupid reason I only =
ordered 8 new head nuts. I managed to order the correct amount of =
washer for the head. No idea what my pea brain was thinking. =
Also found out the head nuts are Whitworth (3/8") size. =
I have a Whitworth socket set, so tragedy averted there. I seem to =
remember someone talking about the water jacket blanking plate earlier =
this week. That made me look at the front of my block. Three =
studs and an empty hole. No cover. I managed to find two =
blanking covers in my stash of parts and a gasket in my gasket =
set. Woohoo, but no nuts or lock washers. Can someone tell =
me if these little nuts that I do not have are Whitworth nuts. If =
so, what size? I have a generator bracket, but there are no =
threaded studs for the block or nuts to mount it with. Once again, =
Whitworth? The closer I get to putting this together the more =
stuff I find out I don't have.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p><span =
lang=3DEN-AU>Mike MacLean</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
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