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Charles,
It looks like you have a Unicorn. I checked a machinery handbook and these
were the closest I could find which you probably already know:
7/16" x 14 TPI UNC American National Standard
11mm x 1.50 International Metric
7/16" x 14 TPI British Standard Whitworth
We can eliminate British Standard Fine as the diameter is too small to match
a pitch between 14 and 16. As Michael has suggested it may be a poor quality
reproduction trying to match one of these sizes. My machinery books list 7
different thread types and the three above are the closest match. I will
suggest finding a castellated nut to fit will be like finding an Albino
Unicorn.
It may be time for new tie rods.... Harold
_____
From: Michael Salter [mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2020 9:23 AM
To: Charles Schott
Cc: Harold Manifold; Healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted Nuts
Charlie,
Further to my previous post I may have more information.
I have come across, in my "DO NOT USE" box a "cheapo repo" Healey side rod
sold by A H Spares under STG215 and Moss Motors under 667-550. (Don't get me
started !)
This part has weird threads on the rod ends. They are 11.96 mm in diameter
and appear to be 1.5 mm pitch. That's a 12mm fine thread.
M
On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 11:53 AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi again Charlie,
In your original request you said that the tie rod ends were the originals
for your BN1.
I have checked an NOS BN2 tie rod end and when I measure the 7/16" thread it
is 0.433" (10.98 mm) diameter and the thread is exactly 20 T.P.I. This is a
U.N.F. thread.
A used early BN1 tie rod end thread is 0.435" (11.49 mm) in diameter and and
the thread is exactly 18 T.P.I. This is a B.S.F. thread.
The original tie rod ends on earlier BN1's were an adjustable type wherein a
split pin could be removed and the slotted cap rotated for adjustment.
After car C.# 157624 the tie rod ends were still B.S.F. but changed to a
non-adjustable type wherein the threaded cap was locked by swaging and was
not designed to be adjusted.
If the tie rod ends that you are dealing with are unlike either of these
then they are almost certainly not "original".
If your thread count is 15 T.P.I. it is obviously neither of those and those
tie rod ends probably fall into the "cheapo repo" category and the thread
could be anything that the manufacturer could find.
M
On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 10:52 AM Charles Schott <schottc@knology.net> wrote:
The thread count appears to be 15 TPI. I have a 14 and a 16 TPI gage and
it's between those two. Since a 12M X 1.5 die runs all the way down the
threads, albeit loosely, and a 10M X 1.5 tap goes all the way through the
slotted nut, again very loose, I think that it's metric. The diameter
measures 10.97 MM with calipers and converted. I have not been able to find
a 11M X 1.5 nut, let alone a slotted one. I have three of them but need
three more.
Regards,
Charlie
_____
From: "Harold Manifold" <manifold@telus.net>
To: "Charles Schott" <schottc@knology.net>, "Michael Salter"
<michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Cc: "Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 6:27:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted Nuts
Charles,
What is the thread per inch count and the major thread diameter of the ball
joint (measure with a vernier or micrometer)?
_____
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charles
Schott
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2020 3:36 PM
To: Michael Salter
Cc: Healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted Nuts
My car is CE# 226706 and I have a limited set of BSF taps and dies and none
of them come close.
The 12M X 1.5 die goes loosely all the way down over the stud threads. When
I measure the diameter of the stud threads, they measure 10.97 mm. You tell
me what I have.
Regards,
Charlie
_____
From: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
To: "Charles Schott" <schottc@knology.net>
Cc: "Michael MacLean" <rrengineer.mike@att.net>, "Healeys"
<healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 3:32:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted Nuts
Charlie,
If your car is prior to C.E.#228931 the castellated nuts for the original
side and center rod ends will be part #2K3996 which I think is 7/16" BSF, (I
don't have one to hand to check) however many of these ball joints have
been replaced with the later UNF style over the years and they use FNZ307
7/16" UNF.
M
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:09 PM Charles Schott <schottc@knology.net> wrote:
I need three slotted nuts for the original tie rod ends on a BN1. They
appear to be metric 11M X 1.5 but I cannot find them. Does anyone have them
or know where I can get them? Thanks.
Regards,
Charlie
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size=3D2 face=3DArial>It looks like you have a Unicorn. I checked a =
machinery=20
handbook and these were the closest I could find which you probably =
already=20
know:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2 face=3DArial>7/16" x 14 TPI UNC American National=20
Standard</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D152170418-04012020><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>11mm x 1.50 International =
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D152170418-04012020><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>7/16" x 14 TPI British Standard =
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color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>We can eliminate British Standard Fine as the =
diameter is too=20
small to match a pitch between 14 and 16. As Michael has suggested it =
may be a=20
poor quality reproduction trying to match one of these sizes. My =
machinery books=20
list 7 different thread types and the three above are the closest match. =
I will=20
suggest finding a castellated nut to fit will be like finding an Albino=20
Unicorn.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D152170418-04012020><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>It may be time for new tie rods.... =
Harold</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><B>From:</B> Michael Salter=20
[mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 04, =
2020=20
9:23 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Charles Schott<BR><B>Cc:</B> Harold Manifold;=20
Healeys<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted=20
Nuts<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans =
ms,sans-serif">Charlie,<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans =
ms,sans-serif">Further to my=20
previous post I may have more information.</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">I have =
come=20
across, in my "DO NOT USE" box a "cheapo repo" Healey side rod sold by A =
H=20
Spares under STG215 and Moss Motors under 667-550. (Don't get me started =
!)<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">This =
part has=20
weird threads on the rod ends. They are 11.96 mm in diameter and appear =
to be=20
1.5 mm pitch. That's a 12mm fine thread.</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans =
ms,sans-serif"><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif"></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans =
ms,sans-serif">M<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans =
ms,sans-serif"><BR></DIV></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 11:53 AM =
Michael Salter=20
<<A =
href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";>michaelsalter@gmail.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; =
MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">Hi =
again=20
Charlie,</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">In =
your=20
original request you said that the tie rod ends were the originals for =
your=20
BN1. <BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">I =
have checked=20
an NOS BN2 tie rod end and when I measure the 7/16" thread it is =
0.433" (10.98=20
mm) diameter and the thread is exactly 20 T.P.I. This is a U.N.F.=20
thread.<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">A =
used early=20
BN1 tie rod end thread is 0.435" (11.49 mm) in diameter and and the =
thread is=20
exactly 18 T.P.I. This is a B.S.F. thread.<BR></DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">The =
original=20
tie rod ends on earlier BN1's were an adjustable type wherein a split =
pin=20
could be removed and the slotted cap rotated for adjustment.</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans =
ms,sans-serif">After car C.#=20
157624 the tie rod ends were still B.S.F. but changed to a =
non-adjustable type=20
wherein the threaded cap was locked by swaging and was not designed to =
be=20
adjusted.</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">If =
the tie rod=20
ends that you are dealing with are unlike either of these then they =
are almost=20
certainly not "original".<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">If =
your thread=20
count is 15 T.P.I. it is obviously neither of those and those tie rod =
ends=20
probably fall into the "cheapo repo" category and the thread could be =
anything=20
that the manufacturer could find.</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans =
ms,sans-serif"><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans =
ms,sans-serif">M<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans =
ms,sans-serif"><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans =
ms,sans-serif"><BR></DIV></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 10:52 AM =
Charles Schott=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:schottc@knology.net"=20
target=3D_blank>schottc@knology.net</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; =
MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new =
york,times,serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">
<DIV>The thread count appears to be 15 TPI. I have a 14 and a 16 TPI =
gage=20
and it's between those two. Since a 12M X 1.5 die runs all the way =
down the=20
threads, albeit loosely, and a 10M X 1.5 tap goes all the way =
through the=20
slotted nut, again very loose, I think that it's metric. The =
diameter=20
measures 10.97 MM with calipers and converted. I have not been able =
to find=20
a 11M X 1.5 nut, let alone a slotted one. I have three of them but =
need=20
three more.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Charlie </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); =
FONT-STYLE: normal"><B>From:=20
</B>"Harold Manifold" <<A href=3D"mailto:manifold@telus.net"=20
target=3D_blank>manifold@telus.net</A>><BR><B>To: </B>"Charles =
Schott"=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:schottc@knology.net"=20
target=3D_blank>schottc@knology.net</A>>, "Michael Salter" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"=20
target=3D_blank>michaelsalter@gmail.com</A>><BR><B>Cc: =
</B>"Healeys" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"=20
target=3D_blank>healeys@autox.team.net</A>><BR><B>Sent: =
</B>Friday, January=20
3, 2020 6:27:29 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>RE: [Healeys] Tie Rod End =
Slotted=20
Nuts<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"=20
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2" =
color=3D"#0000ff">Charles,</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"=20
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2" =
color=3D"#0000ff"></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"=20
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2" color=3D"#0000ff">What is the thread per =
inch count=20
and the major thread diameter of the ball joint (measure with a =
vernier or=20
micrometer)?</SPAN></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR>
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma" =
face=3D"Tahoma"=20
size=3D"2"><B>From:</B> Healeys [mailto:<A=20
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"=20
target=3D_blank>healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</A>] <B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>Charles Schott<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 03, 2020 3:36=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Michael Salter<BR><B>Cc:</B> =
Healeys<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:=20
[Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted Nuts<BR></SPAN><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new =
york,times,serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">
<DIV>My car is CE# 226706 and I have a limited set of BSF taps and =
dies and=20
none of them come close.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The 12M X 1.5 die goes loosely all the way down over the stud =
threads.=20
When I measure the diameter of the stud threads, they measure 10.97 =
mm. You=20
tell me what I have.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Charlie</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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id=3Dgmail-m_-9092671799143422630gmail-m_8727768328129599397zwchr>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); =
FONT-STYLE: normal"><B>From:=20
</B>"Michael Salter" <<A href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"=20
target=3D_blank>michaelsalter@gmail.com</A>><BR><B>To: =
</B>"Charles Schott"=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:schottc@knology.net"=20
target=3D_blank>schottc@knology.net</A>><BR><B>Cc: </B>"Michael =
MacLean"=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"=20
target=3D_blank>rrengineer.mike@att.net</A>>, "Healeys" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"=20
target=3D_blank>healeys@autox.team.net</A>><BR><B>Sent: =
</B>Friday, January=20
3, 2020 3:32:01 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Healeys] Tie Rod End =
Slotted=20
Nuts<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans =
ms,sans-serif">Charlie,=20
<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif">If =
your car=20
is prior to C.E.#228931 the castellated nuts for the original side =
and=20
center rod ends will be part #2K3996 which I think is 7/16" BSF, (I =
don't=20
have one to hand to check) however many of these ball joints =
have been=20
replaced with the later UNF style over the years and they use FNZ307 =
7/16"=20
UNF.</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans =
ms,sans-serif"><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans =
ms,sans-serif">M<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans =
ms,sans-serif"><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans =
ms,sans-serif"><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans =
ms,sans-serif"><BR></DIV></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:09 PM =
Charles Schott=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:schottc@knology.net"=20
target=3D_blank>schottc@knology.net</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new =
york,times,serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">
<DIV>I need three slotted nuts for the original tie rod ends on a =
BN1.=20
They appear to be metric 11M X 1.5 but I cannot find them. Does =
anyone=20
have them or know where I can get them? Thanks.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Charlie</DIV>
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