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Re: [Healeys] clutch hydraulics question

To: "Ed O'Neal" <Ed@wadsworthoneal.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] clutch hydraulics question
From: George Couch <george@kclsystems.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 10:36:51 -0400
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Hi
First time on this forum and haven't got the foggiest idea what I'm doing.

I've taken out my Healey for the first time in two years. My problem is the
clutch is not functioning properly. I can let it out fully and, with pause,
the car will move forward or backward. seems the gas pedal is taking over
the clutch's function. Can I drive it to a garage or should I have it towed
?

George

*George Couch*
KCL System Components, Ltd.
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 at 08:03, Ed O'Neal <Ed@wadsworthoneal.com> wrote:

> There is no suction from the hydraulic system. The pressure plate springs
> push the rod back in AS the clutch peddle is returned. Actually if you push
> in the peddle with the rod disconnected then release the peddle additional
> fluid will be drawn in from the reservoir and another push on the peddle
> and the rod will pop all the way out.
>
> Actually there is a small spring inside the slave cylinder positioned to
> lightly push the rod outward for which there is no apparent reason. I
> discovered this when I tagged out the carbon throw out bearing in berry
> little miles. Apparently my clutch linkage had very little resistance and
> this spring was maintaining contact of the bearing. Since there was no
> reason for the spring, I took it out. Everything has worked fine for more
> than 25K miles
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 24, 2018, at 10:23 PM, i erbs <eyera3000@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think the throw out bearing pushes back on fulcrum arm and that pushes
> piston forward. I need to lengthen the fulcrum point on my smitty 5 speed
> system so the clutch engages higher up. Some day I will.
>
> Ira Erbs
> Portland, OR
> typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 5:15 PM Bob Haskell <rchaskell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>>
>> If the clutch lever arm is disconnected from the slave cylinder push rod
>> and the clutch pedal is pressed to the floor, the push rod is pushed to
>> towards the rear of the car.  When the clutch pedal is released should
>> the suction created in the hydraulic system pull the slave cylinder
>> piston back in?  Or does the system rely on just the pressure plate
>> springs to move the release bearing/lever arm/rod/piston back?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bob Haskell
>> AHCA 3000 MkI registrar
>> http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">Hi<=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">First time on t=
his forum and haven&#39;t got the foggiest idea what I&#39;m doing.</div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">I&#39;ve taken out my Healey f=
or the first time in two years. My problem is the clutch is not functioning=
 properly. I can let it out fully and, with pause, the car will move forwar=
d or backward. seems the gas pedal is taking over the clutch&#39;s function=
. Can I drive it to a garage or should I have it towed ?</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-size:large">George</div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><=
b style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></b></div><b style=3D"bac=
kground-color:rgb(255,255,255)">George Couch</b><div><font color=3D"#999999=
">KCL System Components, Ltd.</font></div><div><font color=3D"#999999">Toro=
nto, ON</font></div><div><font color=3D"#999999">416-496-0540</font></div><=
div><font color=3D"#999999">FAX: 416-499-8422</font></div><div><b><a href=
=3D"http://www.kclsystems.com"; target=3D"_blank"><font color=3D"#999999">ww=
w.kclsystems.com</font></a></b></div><div><b><font size=3D"6" face=3D"garam=
ond, serif" color=3D"#999999">KCL</font></b></div></div></div></div><br></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Sat, 25 Aug 2018 at 08:03, Ed O&#39;Neal &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Ed@wadsworth=
oneal.com">Ed@wadsworthoneal.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">



<div dir=3D"auto">
There is no suction from the hydraulic system. The pressure plate springs p=
ush the rod back in AS the clutch peddle is returned. Actually if you push =
in the peddle with the rod disconnected then release the peddle additional =
fluid will be drawn in from the
 reservoir and another push on the peddle and the rod will pop all the way =
out.=C2=A0
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Actually there is a small spring inside the slave cylinder positioned =
to lightly push the rod outward for which there is no apparent reason. I di=
scovered this when I tagged out the carbon throw out bearing in berry littl=
e miles. Apparently my clutch linkage
 had very little resistance and this spring was maintaining contact of the =
bearing. Since there was no reason for the spring, I took it out. Everythin=
g has worked fine for more than 25K miles</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-4093228205256230460AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPh=
one</div>
<div><br>
On Aug 24, 2018, at 10:23 PM, i erbs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyera3000@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">eyera3000@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div dir=3D"auto">I think the throw out bearing pushes back on fulcrum arm =
and that pushes piston forward. I need to lengthen the fulcrum point on my =
smitty 5 speed system so the clutch engages higher up. Some day I will.<br>
<br>
<div>Ira Erbs<br>
Portland, OR<br>
typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 5:15 PM Bob Haskell &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:rchaskell@earthlink.net" target=3D"_blank">rchaskell@earthlink.net</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Listers,<br>
<br>
If the clutch lever arm is disconnected from the slave cylinder push rod <b=
r>
and the clutch pedal is pressed to the floor, the push rod is pushed to <br=
>
towards the rear of the car.=C2=A0 When the clutch pedal is released should=
 <br>
the suction created in the hydraulic system pull the slave cylinder <br>
piston back in?=C2=A0 Or does the system rely on just the pressure plate <b=
r>
springs to move the release bearing/lever arm/rod/piston back?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Bob Haskell<br>
AHCA 3000 MkI registrar<br>
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