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Re: [Healeys] silicone brake fluid

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Subject: Re: [Healeys] silicone brake fluid
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 08:34:15 -0700
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I've used silicone BF in my BJ8 for close to 30 years (and when I 
replaced the brake MC, 15-20 years and 80-100K miles ago, I disregarded 
the same warning).  As somebody mentioned, your problem is symptomatic 
of the 'check valve'--aka 'foot valve--malfunctioning or damaged.  I had 
similar problem with my brakes on a long road trip; had to pump the 
pedal a couple times on every application (for a couple thousand miles).

We put the highly-touted Castrol BF in our 100M after a thorough 
restoration--with all-new brake system--and the fluid jelled when that 
car sat for a couple years.

Side note: Most BFs are calling themselves 'synthetic' these days.  Are 
they a new formulation, or just jumping on the bandwagon as, AFAIK, BF 
has always been synthetic (the glycols used don't occur in nature)?

Bob


On 6/16/2019 7:44 AM, Team.net wrote:
> I have used silicone in all my british cars for 25 years with no problems
>
> On Jun 16, 2019, at 09:31, HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com 
>
>> Apparently, silicone can cause swelling of the seals in Girling and 
>> Lockheed systems: http://www.gomog.com/brakes.html I have a Howe 
>> hydraulic clutch in my Nasty Boy, and that also came with the 
>> advisory not to use silicone fluid.
>>
>> Rick Neville
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 8:24 AM Brian Drab <bgdrab@redzone.ca 
>>
>>     Last week I completed a driving tour in our BJ8. It was a great
>>     tour and everything ran well except for one thing.  4 or 5 times,
>>     when I used the clutch, the clutch master cylinder bypassed. The
>>     rest of the time it worked well. As I donâ??t want to be caught
>>     without a clutch at a later date I am changing the clutch master
>>     cylinder. I have received a replacement and am preparing to
>>     install it.
>>
>>     On the box is a quick summary of the bleeding procedure under a
>>     warning â?? â??Using Silicon Brake fluid will void warrantyâ??. I have
>>     used silicon fluid for well over 10 tears and never experienced
>>     any problems with it and have never seen or heard of this type of
>>     warning before. I have never heard of any destructive qualities
>>     of Silicon fluid.
>>
>>     My question is â?? does anyone have any idea what it is about.
>>
>>     For me to change to Dot4 fluid is quite a big deal as I would be
>>     changing out the clutch as well as the brake system seeing as
>>     they share a common reservoir.
>>
>>     Iâ??d appreciate any comments on the warning.
>>
>>     Brian Drab
>>
>>     BJ8
>>
>>

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    <p>I've used silicone BF in my BJ8 for close to 30 years (and when I
      replaced the brake MC, 15-20 years and 80-100K miles ago, I
      disregarded the same warning).  As somebody mentioned, your
      problem is symptomatic of the 'check valve'--aka 'foot
      valve--malfunctioning or damaged.  I had similar problem with my
      brakes on a long road trip; had to pump the pedal a couple times
      on every application (for a couple thousand miles).<br>
    </p>
    <p>We put the highly-touted Castrol BF in our 100M after a thorough
      restoration--with all-new brake system--and the fluid jelled when
      that car sat for a couple years.</p>
    <p>Side note: Most BFs are calling themselves 'synthetic' these
      days.  Are they a new formulation, or just jumping on the
      bandwagon as, AFAIK, BF has always been synthetic (the glycols
      used don't occur in nature)?<br>
    </p>
    <p>Bob</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/16/2019 7:44 AM, Team.net wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:A96D99D3-DF89-44DD-B4B4-46F783D8B8E2@gmail.com">
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      <div dir="ltr">I have used silicone in all my british cars for 25
        years with no problems</div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
        On Jun 16, 2019, at 09:31, HealeyRick &lt;<a
          href="mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com"; 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeyrik@gmail.com</a>&gt;
        wrote:<br>
        <br>
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        <div dir="ltr">
          <div dir="ltr">Apparently, silicone can cause swelling of the
            seals in Girling and Lockheed systems:  
            <a href="http://www.gomog.com/brakes.html";
              moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.gomog.com/brakes.html</a> 
            I have a Howe hydraulic clutch in my Nasty Boy, and that
            also came with the advisory not to use silicone fluid.  
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Rick Neville</div>
          </div>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at
              8:24 AM Brian Drab &lt;<a href="mailto:bgdrab@redzone.ca";
                moz-do-not-send="true">bgdrab@redzone.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Last week I completed a driving
                    tour in our BJ8. It was a great tour and everything
                    ran well except for one thing.  4 or 5 times, when I
                    used the clutch, the clutch master cylinder
                    bypassed. The rest of the time it worked well. As I
                    donâ??t want to be caught without a clutch at a later
                    date I am changing the clutch master cylinder. I
                    have received a replacement and am preparing to
                    install it.</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">On the box is a quick summary of
                    the bleeding procedure under a warning â?? â??Using
                    Silicon Brake fluid will void warrantyâ??. I have used
                    silicon fluid for well over 10 tears and never
                    experienced any problems with it and have never seen
                    or heard of this type of warning before. I have
                    never heard of any destructive qualities of Silicon
                    fluid.
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">My question is â?? does anyone have
                    any idea what it is about.
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">For me to change to Dot4 fluid is
                    quite a big deal as I would be changing out the
                    clutch as well as the brake system seeing as they
                    share a common reservoir.
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Iâ??d appreciate any comments on
                    the warning.</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Brian Drab</p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">BJ8</p>
                  <br>
                </div>
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