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Re: [Healeys] Subject: Re: alum radiator swap

To: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Subject: Re: alum radiator swap
From: Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 11:48:47 -0600 (MDT)
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Yes 100% agree.
What is worse is that you won't know that your engine is running hotter.The=
 metal (head etc) will get hotter as not all the heat is transfered to the =
cooling system.Your water temp gauge won't show this.rg
----- Original Message -----
From: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
To: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>, healeys@autox.team.net, Patr=
ick & Caroline Quinn <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au>
Sent: Mon, 03 Jun 2019 11:14:26 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Subject: Re: alum radiator swap

Expensive and an absolutely a waste of money. Cooling will suffer
 as it does not transfer heat as well as water (the main ingredient
 of coolant) and the heat capacity is lower. The only advantage is
 it will not boil but it does not cool the engine as well as
 ordinary coolant.Anyway, you should correct the source of overheating whic=
h is the
 only proper way to go. Fighting the symptoms only is not going to
 work in the end.

Kees Oudesluijs

Op 3-6-2019 om 19:04 schreef Michael
 MacLean:
You could always use Evans waterless coolant.  Then you
 wouln't have to worry about overheating in traffic or
 anywhere.Mike MacLean
Evans Waterless Coolant, Prevent
 Engine Overheating

Evans Waterless Coolant,
 Prevent Engine OverheatingEvans
 waterless coolant, the solution to
 engine overheating & corrosion
 for classic cars, hot rods, muscle
 cars,...


On Sunday, June 2, 2019, 11:40:04 PM PDT, Patrick &
 Caroline Quinn <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au> wrote:

Hello  I agree with Kees, 190=C2=B0F
 is no big deal. The gauges fitted to
 Austin-Healeys read to 230=C2=B0F and when the
 needle goes past that is when you should start
 worrying. Hoo Roo Patrick QuinnBlue Mountains,
 Australia  From:
 Healeys
 [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On
 Behalf Of Kees OudesluijsSent: Monday, 3 June 2019 4:22 PMTo:healeys@autox=
.team.netSubject: Re: [Healeys] Subject: Re:
 alum radiator swap 190=C2=B0F is no big deal, boiling point is well over
 212=C2=B0F. However check the accuracy of the
 thermometer to be sure of a correct reading.Kees Oudesluijs  Op 3-6-2019 o=
m
 02:46 schreef Albert Seminatore:Thought I'd
 share my experience with the alum radiator.First I had
 the OEM radiator boiled cleaned etc..  Then
 I put in a flex fan.  Finally a 160 degree F
 thermostat.    Results:
 Helped a bit but in the summer and in the
 desert the temp went to almost 190F. Talked to
 someone who had an alum. in his MGTD.  Said
 it gave him 20% increase in cooling.  So
 being foolish I bought one.  =20
 Results:  Absolutely NO change.  Well it
 lightened my pocket book. Recently
 talked to a man who made a shroud for his
 healey and claimed it made a big difference
 alng with his Texas Fan (6 bladed).   =20
 Results:  I started to make the shroud BUT.=20
 The fan is not centered on the radiator. =20
 The fan is 1 inch to the left of the
 radiator.  So the plans for a shroud isn't
 going to work as is.     =20
 Questions:  Is the motor incorrectly mounted
 causing the offset?          =20
             If I put in an electric fan is
 it best to remove the flex fan completely?                      =20
 Would a four core radiator be of any help?      =20
                 Should I ignore my fear and
 let the temp go to 190F without a worry?I live in
 the desert and have to go over a 5000 foot
 mountain to get to Las Vegas.Thanks..............  =20
 Al
 --Albert SeminatoreMountain
 Falls, Pahrump, NVeMail:  alsemus1@gmail.com______________________________=
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<html><head><style> body {height: 100%; color:#000000; font-size:12pt; font=
-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;}</style></head><body><div>Yes 100% agre=
e.<br></div><div>What is worse is that you won't know that your engine is r=
unning hotter.<br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>The metal (head etc) will=
 get hotter as not all the heat is transfered to the cooling system.<br dat=
a-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>Your water temp gauge won't show this.<br data=
-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>rg<br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br></div=
><div>----- Original Message -----<br>From: Kees Oudesluijs &lt;coudesluijs=
@chello.nl&gt;<br>To: Michael MacLean &lt;rrengineer.mike@att.net&gt;, heal=
eys@autox.team.net, Patrick &amp; Caroline Quinn &lt;p_cquinn@tpg.com.au&gt=
;<br>Sent: Mon, 03 Jun 2019 11:14:26 -0600 (MDT)<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] =
Subject: Re: alum radiator swap<br></div><div><br></div><p>Expensive and an=
 absolutely a waste of money. Cooling will suffer<br> as it does not transf=
er heat as well as water (the main ingredient<br> of coolant) and the heat =
capacity is lower. The only advantage is<br> it will not boil but it does n=
ot cool the engine as well as<br> ordinary coolant.</p><p>Anyway, you shoul=
d correct the source of overheating which is the<br> only proper way to go.=
 Fighting the symptoms only is not going to<br> work in the end.<br></p><p>=
<br></p><p>Kees Oudesluijs</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><div class=3D"moz-cite-=
prefix">Op 3-6-2019 om 19:04 schreef Michael<br> MacLean:<br></div><blockqu=
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e: 13px; color: #26282a;"><div>On Sunday, June 2, 2019, 11:40:04 PM PDT, Pa=
trick &amp;<br> Caroline Quinn <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"m=
ailto:p_cquinn@tpg.com.au" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:p_cqui=
nn@tpg.com.au">&lt;p_cquinn@tpg.com.au&gt;</a> wrote:</div><div><br></div><=
div><br></div><div><div id=3D"yiv7708788296"><div><div class=3D"yiv77087882=
96WordSection1"><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;">Hello</span></p><p class=
=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-sty=
le=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt=
;">I agree with Kees, 190=C2=B0F<br> is no big deal. The gauges fitted to<b=
r> Austin-Healeys read to </span>230=C2=B0F and when the<br> needle goes pa=
st that is when you should start<br> worrying.</p><p class=3D"yiv7708788296=
MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">Hoo Roo</p><p clas=
s=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">=
Patrick Quinn</p><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">Blue Mountains,<br> Au=
stralia<span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 11.0=
pt;"></span></p><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></p><div cl=
ass=3D"yiv7708788296yqt7776304027" id=3D"yiv7708788296yqt93740"><div><div s=
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0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b>=
<span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;" la=
ng=3D"EN-US"><br> Healeys<br> [<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"m=
ailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"ma=
ilto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net<=
/a>] <b>On<br> Behalf Of </b>Kees Oudesluijs<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b>=
 Monday, 3 June 2019 4:22 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b><a class=3D"moz-tx=
t-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a=
><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Subject: Re:<br> alum rad=
iator swap</span></p></div></div><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">&nbsp;=
</p><p>190=C2=B0F is no big deal, boiling point is well over<br> 212=C2=B0F=
. However check the accuracy of the<br> thermometer to be sure of a correct=
 reading.</p><p>Kees Oudesluijs</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><div><p class=
=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">Op 3-6-2019 om<br> 02:46 schreef Albert Seminat=
ore:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;=
" data-mce-style=3D"margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;"><div><div><p =
class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">Thought I'd<br> share my experience with t=
he alum radiator.<br clear=3D"all"></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv7708788296=
MsoNormal">First I had<br> the OEM radiator boiled cleaned etc..&nbsp; Then=
<br> I put in a flex fan.&nbsp; Finally a 160 degree F<br> thermostat.</p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Results:<b=
r> Helped a bit but in the summer and in the<br> desert the temp went to al=
most 190F.</p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">Talked to<br> someone who had an=
 alum. in his MGTD.&nbsp; Said<br> it gave him 20% increase in cooling.&nbs=
p; So<br> being foolish I bought one.</p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv77087882=
96MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br> Results:&nbsp; Absolutely NO change.&nb=
sp; Well it<br> lightened my pocket book.</p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv7708=
788296MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">R=
ecently<br> talked to a man who made a shroud for his<br> healey and claime=
d it made a big difference<br> alng with his Texas Fan (6 bladed).</p></div=
><div><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br> Resu=
lts:&nbsp; I started to make the shroud BUT.&nbsp;<br> The fan is not cente=
red on the radiator.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br> The fan is 1 inch to the left of the<b=
r> radiator.&nbsp; So the plans for a shroud isn't<br> going to work as is.=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><p =
class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br> Questio=
ns:&nbsp; Is the motor incorrectly mounted<br> causing the offset?</p></div=
><div><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp;<br> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If I put in an elect=
ric fan is<br> it best to remove the flex fan completely?</p></div><div><p =
class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br> Would a four core radiator be of any help?</p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Should I ignore my fear and<br> let the tem=
p go to 190F without a worry?</p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNor=
mal">I live in<br> the desert and have to go over a 5000 foot<br> mountain =
to get to Las Vegas.</p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">Than=
ks..............&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br> Al</p></div><p class=3D"yiv770878829=
6MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"none"><br> --</p><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"y=
iv7708788296MsoNormal"><span>Albert Seminatore</span></p></div><p class=3D"=
yiv7708788296MsoNormal">Mountain<br> Falls, Pahrump, NV</p></div><p class=
=3D"yiv7708788296MsoNormal">eMail:&nbsp; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect"=
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