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Steve and Fellow Listers,
There are two great vendors in the US.
Maxwell Enamels, Vista, CA...
http://www.maxwellenamels.com/Home_Page.html
I am a friend of the owner Karla Maxwell (25 years) and she has done work
for me an I have done work for her (Bakelite restoration).
*She is expensive, and for most badges just buy a quality one from Moss or
other vendors.*
Moss Motors has a very nice one for $134.00, $239.99 for MKII badges and
$249.99 for MKIII badges... Less on sale.
Expect to pay $250-$350 plus to have your original restored.
https://mossmotors.com/badge-austin-healey-wings?assoc=3D6725
https://mossmotors.com/badge-austin-healey-mk-ii?assoc=3D7568
https://mossmotors.com/badge-austin-healey-mk-iii?assoc=3D7569
The other vendor is Emblemagic in Grand River, OH...
http://emblemagic.com/
Ray Geschke is the owner, and also very knowledgeable.
Cheers,
Curt
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:49 AM BJ8Healeys <sbyers@ec.rr.com> wrote:
> There still seems to be some confusion between the *type of construction*
> of the badge and the *material* that is in the colored part.
>
> Cloisonn=C3=A9 and champlev=C3=A9 are jewelers' terms that refer to how t=
he badge is
> constructed, while the red material is either "vitreous enamel" or paint.
>
>
>
> From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
>
> *Definition of cloisonn=C3=A9 (adjective)*
>
> *: *of, relating to, or being a style of enamel decoration in which the
> enamel is applied and fired in *raised* cells (as of soldered wires) on a
> usually metal background =E2=80=94 compare champlev=C3=A9
> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/champlev=C3=A9>
>
> *Definition of champlev=C3=A9 (adjective) *
>
> *: *of, relating to, or being a style of enamel decoration in which the
> enamel is applied and fired in cells *depressed* (as by incising) into a
> metal background =E2=80=94 compare cloisonn=C3=A9
> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cloisonn=C3=A9>
>
>
>
> *Definition of vitreous enamel (noun) *
>
> *: *a fired-on opaque glassy coating on steel or other metals
>
> =E2=80=94 called also porcelain enamel
>
>
>
> Based on these definitions, the BJ7/BJ8 badge *construction* is
> champlev=C3=A9, while the red *material* is vitreous enamel or paint. So=
me
> have claimed that their badge never had either material but were plain
> chrome.
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve Byers
>
> HBJ8L/36666
>
> BJ8 Registry
>
> AHCA Delegate at Large
>
> Havelock, NC
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Bo=
b
> Spidell
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2018 2:21 PM
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Paint type and color
>
>
>
> While I normally wouldn't contradict Michael--he's a pro and I'm an
> amateur--that isn't correct. What's in our badges--until late BJ8s anywa=
y,
> which were painted--is *Champlev=C3=A9:*
>
>
> https://beautifulantiquetreasures.com/2014/05/02/telling-the-difference-b=
etween-champleve-and-cloisonne-enamel/
>
> This is usually cited as the goto place for badge restoration, but I hear
> they are horribly backlogged:
>
> http://www.badgecraft.co.uk/
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/17/2018 4:17 AM, Michael Salter wrote:
>
> Bad news Lin, the red in the badges is not paint, it is cloisonn=C3=A9.
> Thats a type of glass and paint just doesn't look the same.
>
>
>
> There are places where you can get it redone.
>
>
>
> .
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Steve and Fellow Listers,<div><br></div><div>The=
re are two great vendors in the US.</div><div><br></div><div>Maxwell Enamel=
s, Vista, CA...</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.maxwellename=
ls.com/Home_Page.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.maxwellenamels.com/Home=
_Page.html</a>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I am a friend of the owner Ka=
rla Maxwell (25 years) and she has done work for me an I have done work for=
her (Bakelite restoration).</div><div><br></div><div><b>She is expensive, =
and for most badges just buy a quality one from Moss or other vendors.</b><=
/div><div><br></div><div>Moss Motors has a very nice one for $134.00, $239.=
99 for MKII badges and $249.99 for MKIII badges... Less on sale.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Expect to pay $250-$350 plus to have your orig=
inal restored.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://mossmotors.com/b=
adge-austin-healey-wings?assoc=3D6725" target=3D"_blank">https://mossmotors=
.com/badge-austin-healey-wings?assoc=3D6725</a></div><div><br></div><div><a=
href=3D"https://mossmotors.com/badge-austin-healey-mk-ii?assoc=3D7568"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://mossmotors.com/badge-austin-healey-mk-ii?assoc=3D756=
8</a><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://mossmotors.com/badge-=
austin-healey-mk-iii?assoc=3D7569" target=3D"_blank">https://mossmotors.com=
/badge-austin-healey-mk-iii?assoc=3D7569</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>T=
he other vendor is Emblemagic in Grand River, OH...</div><div><br></div><di=
v><a href=3D"http://emblemagic.com/"; target=3D"_blank">http://emblemagic.co=
m/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Ray Geschke is the owner, and also very=
knowledgeable.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>C=
urt</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:49 AM BJ8Healeys <<a href=3D=
"mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com"; target=3D"_blank">sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>> wrote:=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor=3D"white" lang=3D"EN-=
US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_-1985176752011894194m_-8=
72415036259332062m_-3947903033422735464WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";colo=
r:#002060">There still seems to be some confusion between the <u>type of co=
nstruction</u> of the badge and the <u>material</u> that is in the colored =
part.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">Cloisonn=C3=
=A9 and champlev=C3=A9 are jewelers' terms that refer to how the badge =
is constructed, while the red material is either "vitreous enamel"=
; or paint.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">From the Merriam-=
Webster dictionary:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span=
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002=
060">Definition of <i>cloisonn=C3=A9=C2=A0(adjective)</i><u></u><u></u></sp=
an></b></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">: </span></b><span style=3D"=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">of, r=
elating to, or being a style of enamel decoration in which the enamel is ap=
plied and fired in <u>raised</u> cells (as of soldered wires) on a usually =
metal background =E2=80=94 compare <a href=3D"https://www.merriam-webster.c=
om/dictionary/champlev=C3=A9" target=3D"_blank">champlev=C3=A9</a> <br><br>=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">Definition of =
<i>champlev=C3=A9 (adjective)=C2=A0</i><u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#002060">: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">of, relating to, or bei=
ng a style of enamel decoration in which the enamel is applied and fired in=
cells <u>depressed</u> (as by incising) into a metal background =E2=80=94 =
compare <a href=3D"https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cloisonn=C3=
=A9" target=3D"_blank">cloisonn=C3=A9</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans=
MS";color:#002060"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"=
;;color:#002060">Definition of <i>vitreous enamel (noun)=C2=A0</i><u></u><u=
></u></span></b></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0=
pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">: </span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0020=
60">a fired-on opaque glassy coating on steel or other metals <u></u><u></u=
></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">=E2=80=94 called also porcelai=
n enamel <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">Based on these def=
initions, the BJ7/BJ8 badge <u>construction</u> is champlev=C3=A9, while th=
e red <u>material</u> is vitreous enamel or paint.=C2=A0 Some have claimed =
that their badge never had either material but were plain chrome.<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Comic Sans MS";color:#002060"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comi=
c Sans MS";color:#002060">Steve Byers</span><span style=3D"font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"=
><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">HBJ8L/36666</spa=
n><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","san=
s-serif";color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";col=
or:#002060">BJ8 Registry</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060">AHCA Delegate at Large</span><span=
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002=
060">Havelock, NC=C2=A0 </span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padd=
ing:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtex=
t">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D=
"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@a=
utox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Spidell<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesda=
y, October 17, 2018 2:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.t=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re=
: [Healeys] Paint type and color<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p>While I normally wouldn't c=
ontradict Michael--he's a pro and I'm an amateur--that isn't co=
rrect.=C2=A0 What's in our badges--until late BJ8s anyway, which were p=
ainted--is <strong>Champlev=C3=A9:</strong><u></u><u></u></p><p><a href=3D"=
https://beautifulantiquetreasures.com/2014/05/02/telling-the-difference-bet=
ween-champleve-and-cloisonne-enamel/" target=3D"_blank">https://beautifulan=
tiquetreasures.com/2014/05/02/telling-the-difference-between-champleve-and-=
cloisonne-enamel/</a><u></u><u></u></p><p>This is usually cited as the goto=
place for badge restoration, but I hear they are horribly backlogged:<u></=
u><u></u></p><p><a href=3D"http://www.badgecraft.co.uk/"; target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.badgecraft.co.uk/</a><u></u><u></u></p><p>Bob<u></u><u></u></p><=
p><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 10/17/2018 4:17 AM, Michael Salter wrote:<u></=
u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0p=
t"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bad news Lin, the red in the badges is =
not paint, it is=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Ari=
al","sans-serif";color:#444444;background:white">cloisonn=C3=
=A9.</span><br>Thats a type of glass and paint just doesn't look the sa=
me.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are places where you can get it=
redone.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></p></div><div><div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid=
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r:#002060">.</span><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div></block=
quote><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div>__________=
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