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This one interests me, I'm running a new cam and followed the 2000 for twen=
ty minutes rule.=20
I had occasion to inspect the back half of the engine lifters, and on some =
of them the oil wear pattern led me to believe that they weren't rotating.I=
could be wrong, but it seems that if there's a rectangular pattern, then t=
he cam lobe is wiping the same area- if it was rotating the pattern would b=
e circular. I've been thinking about running the engine the way Michael des=
cribes, but given his experience-what's the point?The new car procedure (BM=
W, etc.) is describing cars that have quite different cam/ valve gear from =
our cars, though.
Stephen, BJ8
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
To: Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com>=20
Cc: "healeys@autox.team.net" <healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil
=20
Jean, although the 2000 RPM for 20 minutes may be an industry standard on r=
ebuilds I have visited a number of new car assembly plants including Viper,=
Nissan and BMW MINI and the cars there are started normally (first time fo=
r the engine at least in the case of the MINI) and casually driven to an in=
spection area=C2=A0 where they idle for a couple of minutes while various s=
ystems are checked then to a storage area turned off...=20
I'm wondering if "industry standard" may be a different way of saying "beca=
use that's what my mother did".:-)
I have actually run a few engines with the side covers off to check the tap=
pet rotation. In most cases at least some of the tappets do not rotate and =
no amount of revving or trying to encourage them with long nose pliers seem=
s to make any difference.=20
M
On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration@h=
otmail.com> wrote:
Talked to a guy that has rebuilt and is still rebuilding a lot of engine an=
d he said that the 2000 rpm is an industry standard and is so that the lift=
ers do not only have to go up and down but spin around in their bore. At lo=
wer RPM they may not turn enough and it is also not recommended to go above=
2000 RPM as the engine is not under load.
Jean
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team. net> on behalf of Bob Spidell <b=
spidell@comcast.net>
Sent: August 28, 2016 2:56 AM
To: michael.salter@gmail.com; healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil=C2=A0"... why the 2000 RPM?"Good question.=C2=A0=
Only explanation I've ever seen is you need plenty of oil splashing around=
but, as you said, there would be at idle.=C2=A0 I'll take a SWAG that mayb=
e you need some revs to load up the valve springs to apply sufficient press=
ure to the came lobes and lifters, to 'finish machine' them together.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Sort of like--esp. for aircraft piston engines--you need high BMEP t=
o bed the rings.bs
On 8/27/2016 6:21 PM, michael.salter@gmail.com wrote:
I have also always done that, in the belief that the RPM was necessary to e=
nsure that lots of oil was splashing around.
However at 10 revolutions per second (600 RPM) there has to be tons of oil =
whizzing around in the crankcase so why the 2000 RPM?
M
On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM -0400, "Bob Spidell" <bspidell@comcast.net>=
wrote:
Thanks, Kees.
I'm hearing/reading everywhere that the proper procedure for bedding-in=20
cams and lifters is to run at 2,000 RPM give-or-take for 20 minutes.
bs
On 8/27/2016 11:32 AM, Oudesluys wrote:
> When rebuilding engines I have always thickly coated the bearing=20
> surfaces, and cam lobes using Graphite or Molybdenium grease. At first=20
> start up I disconnect the ignition until I have oil pressure, than=20
> idle the engine until warm after which I would drive at moderate speed=20
> and load for about 100miles. Never used running in oil , just the=20
> prescribed oil. Then drained the oil and fitted a new filter and=20
> filled up with fresh oil. Again another few thousand miles at moderate=20
> loads, oil and filter change after which speed and load were gradually=20
> increased until about 5000miles before full speed and load were=20
> applied. After a rebuild I never encountered any other wear issues on=20
> any engine. Some engines did more than 250.000 miles after that. The=20
> only thing that wore were the cylinder walls/rings/pistons and=20
> valves/seats.
> This is for road cars. Racing/rally cars are supposed to need a=20
> different approach, however even with engines that were raced I never=20
> went beyond the original procedure.
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
> Op 27-8-2016 om 18:36 schreef Bob Spidell:
>>
>> Don't know if you know it, Michael, but you 'started' a long thread=20
>> on the Forum about this (Steve Gerow re-posted a link he got from you):
>>
>> http://www.britishcarforum. com/bcf/showthread.php?105991- Very-interest=
ing-very-long- blog-posting-racing-oil-and- zinc
>>
>> This guy's research, while impressive, has been disputed here:
>>
>> http://www.corvetteforum.com/ forums/c3-tech-performance/ 3266544-zinc-m=
yth-and-test- data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.html
>>
>> This is of major interest to me, as I'll be rebuilding my BJ8's=20
>> engine in the near future. I've run it on off-the-shelf dino=20
>> 20W-50--Castrol, Chevron (mostly) and Valvoline--for almost 120K=20
>> miles so it will be interesting to see what the internals look like=20
>> now (also want to see what deposits, if any, the PCV valve has caused=20
>> in the intake system). #2 has low compression and we'll see if cam=20
>> lobe wear is the cause.
>>
>> Agree with Chris on the cam lube. I bought a bunch of GM EOS=20
>> assembly lube way back when and I'm tempted to pour a bottle down the=20
>> pushrod tubes before first startup. Thoughts (of course, I'll use=20
>> assembly lube on the cam and all moving surfaces)?
>>
>> Also, I'm leaning towards buying a cam from Denis Welch, which they=20
>> say is 'gun-drilled' which, I presume, means the cam is lubricated=20
>> internally and supplies a stream of oil to the lobes. I'll probably=20
>> also go with their bucket lifters which have a hole on the bottom to=20
>> supply yet more oil to the lifter-lobe surfaces.
>>
>> I'm interested in hearing any and all thoughts and experiences on=20
>> engine assembly and break-in. I'm going all-in on this=20
>> rebuild--it'll be the last for this car (I hope)--and my dad wants a=20
>> friend of his who owns a racing engine shop to do the major work ($$$).
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
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>This one interests me, I'm running a new cam and followed the 2000 for twe=
nty minutes rule. <br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4331=
">I had occasion to inspect the back half of the engine lifters, and on som=
e of them the oil wear pattern led me to believe that they weren't rotating=
.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4451">I could=
be wrong, but it seems that if there's a rectangular pattern, then the cam=
lobe is wiping the same area- if it was rotating the pattern would be circ=
ular. I've been thinking about running the engine the way Michael describes=
, but given his experience-what's the point?</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym1=
9_1_1472426753259_4893" dir=3D"ltr">The new car procedure (BMW, etc.) is de=
scribing cars that have quite different cam/ valve gear from our cars, thou=
gh.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4931" dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
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"1"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Michael Salter &=
lt;michaelsalter@gmail.com><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To=
:</span></b> Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com> <b=
r><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "healeys@autox.team.=
net" <healeys@autox.team.net><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=
;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:10 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"f=
ont-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Healeys] Oil<br> </font> </div>=
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lt" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;">Jean, =
although the 2000 RPM for 20 minutes may be an industry standard on rebuild=
s I have visited a number of new car assembly plants including Viper, Nissa=
n and BMW MINI and the cars there are started normally (first time for the =
engine at least in the case of the MINI) and casually driven to an inspecti=
on area where they idle for a couple of minutes while various systems=
are checked then to a storage area turned off... <br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4947" class=3D"yiv1753197321gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;"=
>I'm wondering if "industry standard" may be a different way of saying "bec=
ause that's what my mother did".:-)<br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4948" class=3D"yiv1753197321gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;">I have actuall=
y run a few engines with the side covers off to check the tappet rotation. =
In most cases at least some of the tappets do not rotate and no amount of r=
evving or trying to encourage them with long nose pliers seems to make any =
difference. <br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv1753197321gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;">M<br c=
lear=3D"none"></div></div><div class=3D"yiv1753197321gmail_extra"><br clear=
=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv1753197321gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1=
:35 PM, Jean Caron <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect"=
ymailto=3D"mailto:vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com"; target=3D"_bla=
nk" href=3D"mailto:vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com";>vintage_roadst=
er_restoration@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><blockqu=
ote class=3D"yiv1753197321gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
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mily:Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div>Talked to a guy that has rebuilt and is still rebuilding a lot of engi=
ne and he said that the 2000 rpm is an industry standard and is so that the=
lifters do not only have to go up and down but spin around in their bore. =
At lower RPM they may not turn enough
and it is also not recommended to go above 2000 RPM as the engine is not u=
nder load.
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<div>Jean<br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"font-size:11pt;" face=3D"Calibri, sans-seri=
f" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"=
rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>healeys-bounces@autox.team. n=
et</a>> on behalf of Bob Spidell <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:bs=
pidell@comcast.net">bspidell@comcast.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> August 28, 2016 2:56 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:michael.sal=
ter@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:michael.salter@gmail.com";>m=
ichael.salter@gmail.com</a>; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"=
mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:healeys@aut=
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Oil</font>
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<div>
<div>"... why the 2000 RPM?"</div><div><div class=3D"yiv1753197321h5">
<div>Good question. Only explanation I've ever seen is you need plent=
y of oil splashing around but, as you said, there would be at idle. I=
'll take a SWAG that maybe you need some revs to load up the valve springs =
to apply sufficient pressure to the came lobes
and lifters, to 'finish machine' them together. Sort of like--=
esp. for aircraft piston engines--you need high BMEP to bed the rings.</div=
>
<div>bs<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>On 8/27/2016 6:21 PM, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"ma=
ilto:michael.salter@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:michael.sal=
ter@gmail.com">
michael.salter@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>I have also always done that, in the belief that the RPM was necessary=
to ensure that lots of oil was splashing around.<br clear=3D"none">
However at 10 revolutions per second (600 RPM) there has to be tons of oil =
whizzing around in the crankcase so why the 2000 RPM?<br clear=3D"none">
M<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv1753197321gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM -04=
00, "Bob Spidell" <span dir=3D"ltr">
<<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.n=
et" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>bspidell@comcast=
.net</a>></span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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<pre>Thanks, Kees.
I'm hearing/reading everywhere that the proper procedure for bedding-in=20
cams and lifters is to run at 2,000 RPM give-or-take for 20 minutes.
bs
On 8/27/2016 11:32 AM, Oudesluys wrote:
> When rebuilding engines I have always thickly coated the bearing=20
> surfaces, and cam lobes using Graphite or Molybdenium grease. At first=
=20
> start up I disconnect the ignition until I have oil pressure, than=20
> idle the engine until warm after which I would drive at moderate speed=
=20
> and load for about 100miles. Never used running in oil , just the=20
> prescribed oil. Then drained the oil and fitted a new filter and=20
> filled up with fresh oil. Again another few thousand miles at moderate=
=20
> loads, oil and filter change after which speed and load were gradually=
=20
> increased until about 5000miles before full speed and load were=20
> applied. After a rebuild I never encountered any other wear issues on=
=20
> any engine. Some engines did more than 250.000 miles after that. The=
=20
> only thing that wore were the cylinder walls/rings/pistons and=20
> valves/seats.
> This is for road cars. Racing/rally cars are supposed to need a=20
> different approach, however even with engines that were raced I never=
=20
> went beyond the original procedure.
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
> Op 27-8-2016 om 18:36 schreef Bob Spidell:
>>
>> Don't know if you know it, Michael, but you 'started' a long threa=
d=20
>> on the Forum about this (Steve Gerow re-posted a link he got from =
you):
>>
>> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:=
//www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?105991-Very-interesting-very-l=
ong-blog-posting-racing-oil-and-zinc">http://www.britishcarforum. com/bcf/s=
howthread.php?105991- Very-interesting-very-long- blog-posting-racing-oil-a=
nd- zinc</a>
>>
>> This guy's research, while impressive, has been disputed here:
>>
>> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:=
//www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c3-tech-performance/3266544-zinc-myth-and-te=
st-data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.html">http://www.corvetteforum.com/ forums/c3-=
tech-performance/ 3266544-zinc-myth-and-test- data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.htm=
l</a>
>>
>> This is of major interest to me, as I'll be rebuilding my BJ8's=20
>> engine in the near future. I've run it on off-the-shelf dino=20
>> 20W-50--Castrol, Chevron (mostly) and Valvoline--for almost 120K=
=20
>> miles so it will be interesting to see what the internals look lik=
e=20
>> now (also want to see what deposits, if any, the PCV valve has cau=
sed=20
>> in the intake system). #2 has low compression and we'll see if ca=
m=20
>> lobe wear is the cause.
>>
>> Agree with Chris on the cam lube. I bought a bunch of GM EOS=20
>> assembly lube way back when and I'm tempted to pour a bottle down =
the=20
>> pushrod tubes before first startup. Thoughts (of course, I'll use=
=20
>> assembly lube on the cam and all moving surfaces)?
>>
>> Also, I'm leaning towards buying a cam from Denis Welch, which the=
y=20
>> say is 'gun-drilled' which, I presume, means the cam is lubricated=
=20
>> internally and supplies a stream of oil to the lobes. I'll probab=
ly=20
>> also go with their bucket lifters which have a hole on the bottom =
to=20
>> supply yet more oil to the lifter-lobe surfaces.
>>
>> I'm interested in hearing any and all thoughts and experiences on=
=20
>> engine assembly and break-in. I'm going all-in on this=20
>> rebuild--it'll be the last for this car (I hope)--and my dad wants=
a=20
>> friend of his who owns a racing engine shop to do the major work (=
$$$).
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
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