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To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] OT: Re: get a load of this one..
From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 10:38:23 -0500
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Bob--

Wonderful post, plus what Gary and others have said about why we don't do
politics here.

I don't like big spiders and now I have a second good reason never to go to
AZ.

Best--Michael Oritt


On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:

> That's the problem with being a johnny-come-lately.  I'm 62, a
> fourth-generation Californian and have lived my entire life here, and I
> certainly don't feel as threatened as you do (though I've noticed that a
> lot of people tend to get paranoid as they get older).  Yes, California is
> getting crowded because just about everybody in the world, it seems, wants
> to live here.  The people freezing their asses off back east will likely
> give it some thought when they hear about our recent 70deg+ weather; not to
> mention the relative abundance of jobs--including yours--being created in
> spite of our nazi-communist-facist-socialist government.
>
> Your claim that the FAA "wants to treat my 7 pound model airplane that
> does not fly out of my sight or place anyone or anything in danger like all
> aircraft and make me be licensed to fly it. of course the license is not
> free" is factually incorrect.  The truth is here:
> https://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/
>
> It took all of 10 seconds of internet searching to find this, although I
> was probably already more informed about this than you ever will be because
> I'm a private pilot and have been following this topic in the news and
> aviation publications for quite a while.  Yes, pilots really are concerned
> about this as there have already been several reported instances of 'near
> misses' with both commercial and general aviation aircraft.  And, your 7lb
> RC aircraft could do significant damage--possibly even cause a crash (birds
> have brought down aircraft, see
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549)--to a light
> aircraft traveling at speeds in excess of 100MPH, and the airlines are
> rightfully concerned about someone flying one of the larger drones into an
> airliner full of passengers (don't think it could happen? Ever hear about
> the idiots pointing lasers at aircraft?).
>
> California is such a terrible place for RC aircraft enthusiasts they build
> special 'airports'--there's one in nearby Livermore--so that the RC people
> have their own runway, airspace and parking to indulge their hobby.  At the
> park I often run at--Rancho San Antonio in Los Altos--the RC people had
> their own area and there were some conflicts so the terrible California
> people said "Hey, let's fence off part of the park for the RC aircraft
> people and tell others to stay the hell away from it."  Problem solved.
> And, your attempt to conflate a federal agency, the FAA--ever ask yourself
> what the big 'F' stands for?--with the state of California get's an 'A' for
> creativity, but an 'F' for veracity.  Side note: the FAA rules seem onerous
> at times--the FAR, the book of regulations for pilots, is 2-3 inches thick
> of fine print--but I respect them because most were written because
> somebody--often, a lot of somebodies--died.  The FAA is indeed struggling
> with this, as they are trying to balance the 'rights' of the RC/drone
> people with the rights of everybody else.
>
> I could go on, but I'm probably pushing the limit on message size, but
> I'll say one more thing: Apparently, you moved to California in '71 because
> California afforded you an opportunity for a good career; a career that has
> done so well for you that you are now able to contemplate retirement.  Yet
> you can't resist taking a swipe at the very state that afforded you this
> opportunity and enabled you to prosper.
>
> Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
>
> Cheers,
> Bob
>
>
>
> On 2/13/2016 10:22 PM, Michael MacLean wrote:
>
> I moved here in 1971. It was a very different place back then.  Not as
> crowded and not as regulated in all aspects of life.  These days you can't
> keep up with all the nanny state laws being passed every year.  You can be
> a law abiding citizen one day and a potential felon the next.  Every year
> brings more regulations and control over almost everything you do.  Let's
> not get started on the gun control issue.  Now they can take all your
> firearms with no crime having been committed. All someone has to do is
> convince a judge you MIGHT do something to yourself or someone else.  If
> that is not the thought police, I don't know what is.  Yes, you don't have
> to smog a car made before 1975, but every year some lame brain democrat
> will introduce a bill to make ALL cars have to undergo smog either retro
> actively or be destroyed even though they do not contribute even 1 percent
> of the smog to California.  That bimbo from the San Francisco are Fran
> Pavley tried to get all motorcycles have to undergo smog tests
> retroactively back many years over a certain engine size.  Never mind
> motorcycles are not ridden as much or as often as automobiles or are a mall
> percentage of all vehicles on the road.  Luckily it was defeated.  It all
> started going down hill when the legislature in California went for being
> is session for six months out of the year to year round.  Yes Bob I do feel
> free to leave this quagmire of rules and control of personal liberties.
> Every one of my hobbies I will pursue when I retire is now being controlled
> by either the state of California or as in my radio control hobby the
> federal government being the FAA in particular.  The FAA wants to treat my
> 7 pound model airplane that does not fly out of my sight or place anyone or
> anything in danger like all aircraft and make me be licensed to fly it. of
> course the license is not free.  You have to pay for the government to
> control you.  I retire from the railroad at the end of the year and am
> seriously eyeing Arizona as a retirement destination.  At least there I
> don't worry about  an new firearm law being passed every 5 minutes.
> Mike MacLean
> <http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rrengineer.mike@att.net>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Bob--=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Wonderful post, plus what Ga=
ry and others have said about why we don&#39;t do politics here.</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I don&#39;t like big spiders and now I =
have a second good reason never to go to AZ.</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Bob Spidell <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank">bspi=
dell@comcast.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    That&#39;s the problem with being a johnny-come-lately.=C2=A0 I&#39;m 6=
2, a
    fourth-generation Californian and have lived my entire life here,
    and I certainly don&#39;t feel as threatened as you do (though I&#39;ve
    noticed that a lot of people tend to get paranoid as they get
    older).=C2=A0 Yes, California is getting crowded because just about
    everybody in the world, it seems, wants to live here.=C2=A0 The people
    freezing their asses off back east will likely give it some thought
    when they hear about our recent 70deg+ weather; not to mention the
    relative abundance of jobs--including yours--being created in spite
    of our nazi-communist-facist-socialist government.<br>
    <br>
    Your claim that the FAA &quot;wants to treat my 7 pound model airplane
    that does not fly out of my sight or place anyone or anything in
    danger like all aircraft and make me be licensed to fly it. of
    course the license is not free&quot; is factually incorrect.=C2=A0 The =
truth
    is here: <a href=3D"https://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/"; target=3D"=
_blank">https://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/</a>=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br>
    <br>
    It took all of 10 seconds of internet searching to find this,
    although I was probably already more informed about this than you
    ever will be because I&#39;m a private pilot and have been following
    this topic in the news and aviation publications for quite a while.=C2=
=A0
    Yes, pilots really are concerned about this as there have already
    been several reported instances of &#39;near misses&#39; with both
    commercial and general aviation aircraft.=C2=A0 And, your 7lb RC aircra=
ft
    could do significant damage--possibly even cause a crash (birds have
    brought down aircraft, see
    <a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549"; target=
=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549</a>)--to a=
 light
    aircraft traveling at speeds in excess of 100MPH, and the airlines
    are rightfully concerned about someone flying one of the larger
    drones into an airliner full of passengers (don&#39;t think it could
    happen? Ever hear about the idiots pointing lasers at aircraft?).=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
    <br>
    <br>
    California is such a terrible place for RC aircraft enthusiasts they
    build special &#39;airports&#39;--there&#39;s one in nearby Livermore--=
so that
    the RC people have their own runway, airspace and parking to indulge
    their hobby.=C2=A0 At the park I often run at--Rancho San Antonio in Lo=
s
    Altos--the RC people had their own area and there were some
    conflicts so the terrible California people said &quot;Hey, let&#39;s f=
ence
    off part of the park for the RC aircraft people and tell others to
    stay the hell away from it.&quot;=C2=A0 Problem solved.=C2=A0 And, your=
 attempt to
    conflate a federal agency, the FAA--ever ask yourself what the big
    &#39;F&#39; stands for?--with the state of California get&#39;s an &#39=
;A&#39; for
    creativity, but an &#39;F&#39; for veracity.=C2=A0 Side note: the FAA r=
ules seem
    onerous at times--the FAR, the book of regulations for pilots, is
    2-3 inches thick of fine print--but I respect them because most were
    written because somebody--often, a lot of somebodies--died.=C2=A0 The F=
AA
    is indeed struggling with this, as they are trying to balance the
    &#39;rights&#39; of the RC/drone people with the rights of everybody el=
se.<br>
    <br>
    I could go on, but I&#39;m probably pushing the limit on message size,
    but I&#39;ll say one more thing: Apparently, you moved to California in
    &#39;71 because California afforded you an opportunity for a good
    career; a career that has done so well for you that you are now able
    to contemplate retirement.=C2=A0 Yet you can&#39;t resist taking a swip=
e at
    the very state that afforded you this opportunity and enabled you to
    prosper.<br>
    <br>
    Don&#39;t let the door hit you on the way out.<br>
    <br>
    Cheers,<br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 2/13/2016 10:22 PM, Michael MacLean
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new =
roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">I moved
          here in 1971. It was a very different place back then.=C2=A0 Not =
as
          crowded and not as regulated in all aspects of life.=C2=A0 These
          days you can&#39;t keep up with all the nanny state laws being
          passed every year.=C2=A0 You can be a law abiding citizen one day
          and a potential felon the next.=C2=A0 Every year brings more
          regulations and control over almost everything you do.=C2=A0 Let&=
#39;s
          not get started on the gun control issue.=C2=A0 Now they can take
          all your firearms with no crime having been committed. All
          someone has to do is convince a judge you MIGHT do something
          to yourself or someone else.=C2=A0 If that is not the thought
          police, I don&#39;t know what is.=C2=A0 Yes, you don&#39;t have t=
o smog a
          car made before 1975, but every year some lame brain democrat
          will introduce a bill to make ALL cars have to undergo smog
          either retro actively or be destroyed even though they do not
          contribute even 1 percent of the smog to California.=C2=A0 That
          bimbo from the San Francisco are Fran Pavley tried to get all
          motorcycles have to undergo smog tests retroactively back many
          years over a certain engine size.=C2=A0 Never mind motorcycles ar=
e
          not ridden as much or as often as automobiles or are a mall
          percentage of all vehicles on the road.=C2=A0 Luckily it was
          defeated.=C2=A0 It all started going down hill when the legislatu=
re
          in California went for being is session for six months out of
          the year to year round.=C2=A0 Yes Bob I do feel free to leave thi=
s
          quagmire of rules and control of personal liberties. Every one
          of my hobbies I will pursue when I retire is now being
          controlled by either the state of California or as in my radio
          control hobby the federal government being the FAA in
          particular.=C2=A0 The FAA wants to treat my 7 pound model airplan=
e
          that does not fly out of my sight or place anyone or anything
          in danger like all aircraft and make me be licensed to fly it.
          of course the license is not free.=C2=A0 You have to pay for the
          government to control you.=C2=A0 I retire from the railroad at th=
e
          end of the year and am seriously eyeing Arizona as a
          retirement destination.=C2=A0 At least there I don&#39;t worry ab=
out=C2=A0
          an new firearm law being passed every 5 minutes.</div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean=C2=A0 <br>
        </div>
        <div><span></span></div>
        <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rrengineer=
.mike@att.net" target=3D"_blank"></a><br>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
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