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Hi Ira,
Cutting the wire is an absolute no-no in the panel restoration business
because a continuous wire is required to maintain the strength of the
rolled edge at the join.
Without the continuous wire you end up with a weak spot in the rolled edge
which will become a stress point and eventually crack.
The panel can be cut back sufficiently to allow a new piece of wire to be
welded to what remains but it is not that easy to do well in conjunction
with a butt welded panel joint. Certainly not a job for a first year
apprentice!!
Michael S
BN1 #174
*http://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/?p=445
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On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:38 PM, I Erbs <eyera3@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think my body guy cut the panel to fit the removed rust bits and with it
> the extended wire. One side looks great. the other is cracking were the
> pieces were joined.
> Thanks for the photo
>
> Ira Erbs
> IT Teacher
> and Consultant
> Portland, OR
>
> "Wouldn't you rather vote for what you want and not get it
> than vote for what you don't want - and get it?" Eugene Debs
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Here you go Ira. Moss sells 2 types of these; this is the higher priced
>> version which comes from Kilmartin and has the proper wire bead. The lower
>> cost version just has the metal on the well edge folded over, but is
>> otherwise OK quality. I installed the cheaper ones on my BJ8 and will
>> replace them when I get a round tuit.
>>
>> You'll have to work the metal some to get these to fit properly. Make
>> sure you achieve the gentle curve along the bottom of the body between the
>> wheel wells; I've seen far too many dog leg repairs--some done by
>> 'pros'--where the rear edge of the repair panel sticks down and/or out,
>> making it look like the car has a 'spur.' Once you're aware of this
>> aberration it will be the first thing you 'see' on every Healey you look at
>> thereafter.
>>
>> As for fitting up the bead, I can think of two ways: either unroll the
>> bead on the wheel well and stick the protruding wire on the repair panel
>> into the existing bead and fold it back up and butt-weld the sheet metal,
>> or cut both off square, butt-weld them together and file/sand, and maybe
>> fill the joint so it looks and feels seamless. If you do this before I
>> acquire a round tuit let us know what you did and how it worked out.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/31/2015 8:34 AM, I Erbs wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I need to fix an improperly repaired dog leg. Can I get a photo of a
>>> replacement unit. I believe the shop cut the wire off, how is it used in a
>>> correct instalation? This would b Ave been easier before we painted the
>>> car. Good thing I opted for two stage paint.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> *******************************************************************
>> Bob Spidell San Jose, CA bspidell@comcast.net
>>
>> *******************************************************************
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Ira,<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cutting=
the wire is an absolute no-no in the panel restoration business because a =
continuous wire is required to maintain the strength of the rolled edge at =
the join.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic =
sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Without the continuous wire you end up =
with a weak spot in the rolled edge which will become a stress point and ev=
entually crack. <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family=
:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">The panel can be cut back suffic=
iently to allow a new piece of wire to be welded to what remains but it is =
not that easy to do well in conjunction with a butt welded panel joint. Cer=
tainly not a job for a first year apprentice!!<br><br></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small=
">Michael S<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comi=
c sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">BN1 #174<br><b><a href=3D"http://www.=
netbug.net/blogmichael/?p=3D445">http://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/?p=3D445=
</a></b><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:38 PM, I Erbs <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:eyera3@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">eyera3@gmail.com</a>></=
span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I think my body guy cut the pa=
nel to fit the removed rust bits and with it the extended wire. One side lo=
oks great. the other is cracking were the pieces were joined.</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Thanks for the photo</div></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs=
<div>IT=C2=A0Teacher=C2=A0</div><div>and Consultant</div><div>Portland, OR<=
/div><div><font color=3D"#242424" face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Geneva=
, sans-serif"><span style=3D"line-height:10.4px;font-size:12.72px;backgroun=
d-color:rgb(246,243,236)"><br></span></font></div><div><span style=3D"color=
:rgb(36,36,36);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:12px;font-style:italic;line-height:12px">"Wouldn't you rather =
vote for what you want and not get it</span></div><div><span style=3D"color=
:rgb(36,36,36);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:12px;font-style:italic;line-height:12px">=C2=A0than vote for what you d=
on't want - and get it?" Eugene Debs</span><br></div>
<div><p style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:medium">=
<span style=3D"line-height:18px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font=
-size:12px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">=C2=A0</span></p></div><div>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
<div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>=
<div><div class=3D"h5">
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Bob Spidell=
<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_b=
lank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex">Here you go Ira.=C2=A0 Moss sells 2 types of these; this is the hig=
her priced version which comes from Kilmartin and has the proper wire bead.=
=C2=A0 The lower cost version just has the metal on the well edge folded ov=
er, but is otherwise OK quality.=C2=A0 I installed the cheaper ones on my B=
J8 and will replace them when I get a round tuit.<br>
<br>
You'll have to work the metal some to get these to fit properly. Make s=
ure you achieve the gentle curve along the bottom of the body between the w=
heel wells; I've seen far too many dog leg repairs--some done by 'p=
ros'--where the rear edge of the repair panel sticks down and/or out, m=
aking it look like the car has a 'spur.'=C2=A0 Once you're awar=
e of this aberration it will be the first thing you 'see' on every =
Healey you look at thereafter.<br>
<br>
As for fitting up the bead, I can think of two ways: either unroll the bead=
on the wheel well and stick the protruding wire on the repair panel into t=
he existing bead and fold it back up and butt-weld the sheet metal, or cut =
both off square, butt-weld them together and file/sand, and maybe fill the =
joint so it looks and feels seamless.=C2=A0 If you do this before I acquire=
a round tuit let us know what you did and how it worked out.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 1/31/2015 8:34 AM, I Erbs wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
I need to fix an improperly repaired dog leg. Can I get a photo of a replac=
ement unit. I believe the shop cut the wire off, how is it used in a correc=
t instalation?=C2=A0 =C2=A0This would b Ave been easier before=C2=A0 we pai=
nted the car. Good thing I opted=C2=A0 for two stage paint.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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