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Absolutely correct Scott, chrome, powder coat, heavy paint is a huge no-no=
on suspension components, for reasons mentioned...
Glen Efinger
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 09:40:47 AM EDT, Scott Janzen via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
Excellent caution note, thanks!I=E2=80=99d always understood that powder c=
oating could hide cracks below the surface - on a frame, for example, just =
as chroming hides cracks on suspension parts you may want to crack check. =
=C2=A0Maybe appropriate for a show car, but for a race car, not so good. =
=C2=A0Is this incorrect?=C2=A0
On Sep 28, 2023, at 10:31 PM, Joe Boruch via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
Most of the two part urethane paints are hazardous like Imron.=C2=A0 The h=
ardener is isocyanate, which can cause severe allergic reactions when inhal=
ed.=C2=A0 Once allergic to it, a person can react to it with every exposure=
.=C2=A0 Isocyanate is the chemical that was responsible for the deaths in t=
he Bopal, India chemical disaster many years ago.=C2=A0 Be sure to use a go=
od tight fitting cartridge respirator when spraying these urethanes, but I =
think most safety instructions say to use a supplied air respirator.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 07:23:56 PM EDT, Jack Wheeler via Fo=
t <fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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Hi Joe.=C2=A0 When I bought the Imron for my car in 1980, the guy wouldn'=
t sell it to me unless I also bought the respirator he recommended!=C2=A0 S=
trong stuff.
Jack
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:33:26 AM EDT, Joe Alexander <joea=
lexandervintage@gmail.com> wrote: =20
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In the 70s we were painting John Deere Tractors in DuPont Imron. What wasn=
=E2=80=99t done by robots was done by painters in HazMat Suits.
Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasket=
innovations.comCell: =C2=A0319.464.4711
On Sep 28, 2023, at 10:29 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wro=
te:
=EF=BB=BF I don't know if it is even still available, but years ago I paint=
ed the frame on my race car with Dupont Imron.=C2=A0 It was the most durabl=
e paint available at the time, and my experience reflected that.=C2=A0 The =
stuff is very toxic, so you must use a very good respirator.
Jack
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 02:28:28 AM EDT, Tony Drews via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
=20
Grey will show cracks better than black.=C2=A0 POR is the first thing that =
came to mind for me, but it's been YEARS since I used it.
Cheers, Tony
=20
On 9/27/2023 10:21 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote:
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I'd suggest POR 15.=C2=A0 Depending on the color, the number changes.=C2=
=A0 I think 15 is black.=C2=A0 Gray is something else, maybe 10.=C2=A0 Spra=
y or brush on.=C2=A0 I've used Rustoleum as the touchup rattle spray cans a=
re perfectly matched to the quart cans, and you can get it just about anywh=
ere.=C2=A0 POR products might be a little more durable than Rustoleum.=C2=
=A0 If the frame is bare metal, an epoxy primer is a good start, but with P=
OR I "think" you can skip the primer.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dave H.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 On 09/27/2023 5:55 PM PDT McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot@autox.team.=
net> wrote: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi All.=20
=C2=A0 It's been a long time since I've painted a frame and I'm just wond=
ering what the latest / greatest thing to use is for a race car frame ? It'=
s already=C2=A0sand blasted if that matters.. =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks.=C2=A0 =
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Absolutely correct Scott, ch=
rome, powder coat, heavy paint is a huge no-no on suspension components, fo=
r reasons mentioned...</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Glen Efinger<br></div><div><br></d=
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On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 09:40:47 AM EDT, Scott=
Janzen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<div><div id=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><div>Excellent ca=
ution note, thanks!<div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338">I=E2=80=99d alwa=
ys understood that powder coating could hide cracks below the surface - on =
a frame, for example, just as chroming hides cracks on suspension parts you=
may want to crack check. Maybe appropriate for a show car, but for a=
race car, not so good. Is this incorrect? <br class=3D"ydpbd24a=
d20yiv7602438338"><div><br class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><div class=3D=
"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338">On Sep 28, 2023, at 10:31 PM, Joe Boruch via Fot=
<<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv760243833=
8" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</di=
v><br class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338Apple-interchange-newline"><div clas=
s=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><div=
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-siz=
e:13px;" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338ydp183ed478yahoo-style-wrap"><div=
class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338">Most of the two=
part urethane paints are hazardous like Imron. The hardener is isocy=
anate, which can cause severe allergic reactions when inhaled. Once a=
llergic to it, a person can react to it with every exposure. Isocyana=
te is the chemical that was responsible for the deaths in the Bopal, India =
chemical disaster many years ago. Be sure to use a good tight fitting=
cartridge respirator when spraying these urethanes, but I think most safet=
y instructions say to use a supplied air respirator. </div><div =
class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><br class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><=
/div>
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On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 07:23:56 PM EDT, Jac=
k Wheeler via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net" class=3D"ydpbd2=
4ad20yiv7602438338" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</=
a>> wrote:
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4ad20yiv7602438338"></div>
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4ad20yiv7602438338"></div>
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d20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338=
"><div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><div style=3D"font-family:Helveti=
ca Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20=
yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydpb2b44d22yahoo-style-wrap"><div clas=
s=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338">Hi Joe. W=
hen I bought the Imron for my car in 1980, the guy wouldn't sell it to me u=
nless I also bought the respirator he recommended! Strong stuff.</div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><br class=3D"ydpbd24ad=
20yiv7602438338" clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20=
yiv7602438338">Jack<br class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338" clear=3D"none"></=
div><div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><br class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602=
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344"><div id=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879f=
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On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:33:26 AM EDT, Joe=
Alexander <<a href=3D"mailto:joealexandervintage@gmail.com" class=3D"yd=
pbd24ad20yiv7602438338" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">joealexandervint=
age@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><br class=3D"ydpbd2=
4ad20yiv7602438338" clear=3D"none"></div>
<div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><br class=3D"ydpbd2=
4ad20yiv7602438338" clear=3D"none"></div>
<div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><div id=3D"ydpbd24a=
d20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890" class=3D"=
ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338">In the 70=
s we were painting John Deere Tractors in DuPont Imron. What wasn=E2=80=99t=
done by robots was done by painters in HazMat Suits.<br class=3D"ydpbd24ad=
20yiv7602438338" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338" clea=
r=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338">Joe Alexande=
r<div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338">4505 Donald Dr</div><div class=3D"=
ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338">Cedar Falls, IA 50613</div><div class=3D"ydpbd24a=
d20yiv7602438338"><a href=3D"http://The-vintage-racer.com" class=3D"ydpbd24=
ad20yiv7602438338" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">The-vintage-racer.com=
</a></div><div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><a href=3D"http://Gasketi=
nnovations.com" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338" rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank">Gasketinnovations.com</a></div><div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602=
438338">Cell: 319.464.4711</div><div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv760243833=
8"><br class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338" clear=3D"none"></div></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><div id=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602=
438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890yqtfd60849" class=3D"=
ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890yqt=
6306304293"><br class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338" clear=3D"none"><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338">On Sep 28, 2023, at 10:=
29 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net" class=
=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.=
team.net</a>> wrote:<br class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338" clear=3D"none=
"><br class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338" clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div>=
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><div id=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv760243=
8338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890yqtfd04871" class=3D"yd=
pbd24ad20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890yqt63=
06304293">=EF=BB=BF<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Ari=
al, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32d=
dyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpba2ca5ebyahoo-style-wrap"><div cla=
ss=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338">I don't know if=
it is even still available, but years ago I painted the frame on my race c=
ar with Dupont Imron. It was the most durable paint available at the =
time, and my experience reflected that. The stuff is very toxic, so y=
ou must use a very good respirator.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpbd24a=
d20yiv7602438338"><br class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338" clear=3D"none"></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338">Jack<br class=3D"ydp=
bd24ad20yiv7602438338" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv760=
2438338"><br class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338" clear=3D"none"></div>
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p9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpc738254eyahoo_quoted_6378525148" class=3D"ydpbd24a=
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yahoo_quoted">
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On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 02:28:28 AM EDT, Ton=
y Drews via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net" class=3D"ydpbd24a=
d20yiv7602438338" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>=
> wrote:
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4ad20yiv7602438338" clear=3D"none"></div>
<div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><br class=3D"ydpbd2=
4ad20yiv7602438338" clear=3D"none"></div>
<div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><div id=3D"ydpbd24a=
d20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpc738254e=
yiv2026604046" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"><div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20=
yiv7602438338"><p class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338">Grey will show cracks =
better than black. POR is the first thing
that came to mind for me, but it's been YEARS since I used it.</p><p =
class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338">Cheers, Tony<br class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7=
602438338" clear=3D"none">
</p>
<div id=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fy=
iv2577320890ydpc738254eyiv2026604046yqtfd35055" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602=
438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpc738254eyiv2026604=
046yqt9936172975"><div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv59350=
07227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpc738254eyiv2026604046moz-cite-prefix">On 9/=
27/2023 10:21 PM, DAVE HOGYE via
Fot wrote:<br class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338" clear=3D"none">
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338">
</blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32=
ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpc738254eyiv2026604046yqtfd57320" =
class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577=
320890ydpc738254eyiv2026604046yqt9936172975"></div><div class=3D"ydpbd24ad2=
0yiv7602438338"><div id=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227=
ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpc738254eyiv2026604046yqtfd17211" class=3D"ydpbd2=
4ad20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpc73825=
4eyiv2026604046yqt9936172975"><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helv=
etica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"=
> <span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;" class=3D"ydpbd24ad2=
0yiv7602438338">I'd suggest
POR 15. Depending on the color, the number changes. I=
think
15 is black. Gray is something else, maybe 10. Spray =
or
brush on. I've used Rustoleum as the touchup rattle spray
cans are perfectly matched to the quart cans, and you can get
it just about anywhere. POR products might be a little more
durable than Rustoleum. If the frame is bare metal, an epox=
y
primer is a good start, but with POR I "think" you can skip
the primer. </span> </div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif=
;color:#333333;" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227y=
dp9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpc738254eyiv2026604046default-style"> <span style=
=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv760243833=
8">Dave H. </span>
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;color:#333333;" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227y=
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>
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;color:#333333;" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227y=
dp9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpc738254eyiv2026604046default-style"> <span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338">On 09/27/2023 5:55 =
PM PDT McKearn
McKearn via Fot <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.n=
et" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv=
2577320890ydpc738254eyiv2026604046moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel=3D"nofollow" t=
arget=3D"_blank"><fot@autox.team.net></a> wrote:</span> </div>
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;color:#333333;" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227y=
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"> Hi All. <br cl=
ass=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338" clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"ydpbd24ad20yiv7602438338"> It's been a long =
time since I've painted a frame and
I'm just wondering what the latest / greatest thing to use
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