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All the race pistons are FORGED, they are super tough. Cast pistons don't =
have anywhere near the same strength.
While everyone is listing success with vendors, I will admit that my JE pis=
tons didn't break when I chucked a rod, I can report that Diamond also make=
s a fine product. I cannot speak to lead times, the last set I bought was a=
bout 5 years ago, but they were super fast delivery at that time. Regarding=
JE, I thought their customer service was terrible when I tried to clear up=
a problem that they created by shipping a set with the wrong wrist pin ret=
ainers... but that was around 20 years ago. I'm sure thing have improved si=
nce then. For some reason I hear sarcastic laughter in the distance... oh w=
ell.
HI TED!
c ya,Bob Lang
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t@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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On the other hand, I was very impressed with how TOUGH the JE pistons were.=
=C2=A0 I had one chew up and spit out a valve head that broke off.=C2=A0 A =
little damage to the cylinder wall, a little damage to the head (which uncl=
e jack repaired for me), and the top of the piston looked like the surface =
of the moon.=C2=A0 Repaired head and cylinder wall, installed a new piston,=
back in business.=C2=A0 I dropped a valve on a stock style piston and it w=
as game over for the whole lower end =E2=80=93 shattered piston, broken rod=
, big hole in the block.
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=C2=A0
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Are ALL the pistons from the aftermarket (JE, Wiseco, etc.) that tough?=C2=
=A0 This isn=E2=80=99t an ad for JE =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m legitimately inte=
rested in the experience of others here.
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Scott (B.)
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From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf OfErik Jacobsen via Fot
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 6:42 AM
To: Dave Riddle <dave@microworks.net>; Brad Eells <tr4abrad@gmail.com>
Cc: Dave Riddle via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons
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Dave,
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I have a long and unpleasant tale about J&E I attempted to order for my Spr=
ite race engine. After many months they crapped out and I went to Wiseco. T=
he originally said 12 weeks for custom made, coated flat-tops. They then up=
dated it to 6 weeks, and finally delivered the pistons in just 3 weeks! The=
y were also very easy to deal with regarding the specifics of the engine. I=
have since ordered forged 89mm coated set for my TR3 race car (through BFE=
), and again they were way faster than they originally claimed. Good lookin=
g parts and very good to deal with. As an interesting aside, they seem to h=
ave purchased J&E, so maybe they will get better?=C2=A0
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Cheers,
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Jake
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utox.team.net> wrote:
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My JE order took 15 weeks last year. FYI=E2=80=A6
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Brad Eells
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Sent from my iPhone
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On Feb 2, 2023, at 1:52 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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Well the Machine shop that can work on my TR3 engine said they are 4 months=
out so that certainly gives me time to order Pistons.=C2=A0 For Street use=
and only the occasional Track day I have time to see about ordering from J=
E or Wisco rather than the flat top pistons from Moss that are manufactured=
in India (even if they are sent to the UK where they are machined).=C2=A0 =
Does anyone have specs for a piston I could see about getting made or can r=
ecommend a set?=C2=A0 My Engine does have an Isky Cam (not sure which one b=
ased on the Cam Chart that went around the other week).
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=C2=A0
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Currently the car does have flat top pistons in 87mm.=C2=A0 Any real concer=
ns moving up to an 89m?=C2=A0 I have heard cooling can be an issue and the =
car does have a Wizard Radiator and an Oil Cooler
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">All the race pistons are FOR=
GED, they are super tough. Cast pistons don't have anywhere near the same s=
trength.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">While everyone is listing success with vendors, =
I will admit that my JE pistons didn't break when I chucked a rod, I can re=
port that Diamond also makes a fine product. I cannot speak to lead times, =
the last set I bought was about 5 years ago, but they were super fast deliv=
ery at that time. Regarding JE, I thought their customer service was terrib=
le when I tried to clear up a problem that they created by shipping a set w=
ith the wrong wrist pin retainers... but that was around 20 years ago. I'm =
sure thing have improved since then. For some reason I hear sarcastic laugh=
ter in the distance... oh well.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">HI TED!</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">c ya,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang<br></div><d=
iv><br></div>
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cott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal">On the other hand, I was ver=
y impressed with how TOUGH the JE pistons were. I had one chew up and=
spit out a valve head that broke off. A little damage to the cylinde=
r wall, a little damage to the head (which uncle jack repaired for me),
and the top of the piston looked like the surface of the moon. Repai=
red head and cylinder wall, installed a new piston, back in business. =
I dropped a valve on a stock style piston and it was game over for the who=
le lower end =E2=80=93 shattered piston, broken rod,
big hole in the block.</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal"> </p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal">Are ALL the pistons from the=
aftermarket (JE, Wiseco, etc.) that tough? This isn=E2=80=99t an ad =
for JE =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m legitimately interested in the experience of o=
thers here.</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal"> </p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal">Scott (B.)</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal"> </p>=20
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221yqt9383940957"><div>
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order-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt=
0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Fot <fot-bou=
nces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Erik Jacobsen via Fot<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 3, 2023 6:42 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Dave Riddle <dave@microworks.net>; Brad Eells <tr4abrad=
@gmail.com><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> Dave Riddle via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br clear=3D"none"=
>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Pistons</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal"> </p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Dave,</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">I have a long and unpleasant tale about J&=
E I attempted to order for my Sprite race engine. After many months they cr=
apped out and I went to Wiseco. The originally said 12
weeks for custom made, coated flat-tops. They then updated it to 6 weeks, =
and finally delivered the pistons in just 3 weeks! They were also very easy=
to deal with regarding the specifics of the engine. I have since ordered f=
orged 89mm coated set for my TR3
race car (through BFE), and again they were way faster than they originall=
y claimed. Good looking parts and very good to deal with. As an interesting=
aside, they seem to have purchased J&E, so maybe they will get better?=
</span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Cheers,</span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Jake</span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at=
05:44:11 PM CST, Brad Eells via Fot <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:f=
ot@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a=
>> wrote:
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span></p>=20
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al"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">=
My JE order took 15 weeks last year. FYI=E2=80=A6</span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Brad Eells</span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Sent from my iPhone</span></p>=
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al"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">=
On Feb 2, 2023, at 1:52 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <<a shape=3D"rect" href=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox=
.team.net</a>> wrote:</span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">=EF=BB=BF</span><span style=3D"f=
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Well the=
Machine shop that can work on my TR3 engine said they are 4 months out so =
that certainly gives me time to order Pistons. For
Street use and only the occasional Track day I have time to see about orde=
ring from JE or Wisco rather than the flat top pistons from Moss that are m=
anufactured in India (even if they are sent to the UK where they are machin=
ed). Does anyone have specs for
a piston I could see about getting made or can recommend a set? My E=
ngine does have an Isky Cam (not sure which one based on the Cam Chart that=
went around the other week).</span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </=
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Currentl=
y the car does have flat top pistons in 87mm. Any real concerns movin=
g up to an 89m? I have heard cooling can be an issue
and the car does have a Wizard Radiator and an Oil Cooler</span></p>=20
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