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ne in the comparison list on Larry=E2=80=99s website. JoeB<br><br><div=
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"cite">On Jan 22, 2023, at 8:04 AM, David Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.ne=
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Hi FOT,<div><br></div><div>I used Larry Young=E2=80=99s site to learn a lot a=
bout cams and their relative effects on engine performance with some crude e=
ngine modeling software, in the quest to pick the right cam for my wants, bu=
ilding a strong mid range engine, trying not to spin over 6,000 if I can hel=
p it with a stock based crank. Does anyone happen to have the s=
pecs on the Gillander=E2=80=99s #24 they could share? Just curious. &n=
bsp;Maybe it=E2=80=99s at the pointy end of the list below?</div><div><br></=
div><div>Rick McCurdy, here=E2=80=99s the cam reference list Larry put toget=
her, below, and I=E2=80=99d sure be curious what Rick Parent=E2=80=99s softw=
are would say I should have done!!! </div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D=
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</a> </div><div><br></div><br></div><div>Dave Gott</div><div><br><br><br>=
<a href=3D"https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=3DiOS";>Sent from Yahoo Mail=
for iPhone</a><br><br><p class=3D"yahoo-quoted-begin" style=3D"font-size: 1=
5px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Saturday, January 2=
1, 2023, 2:11 PM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:</p><=
blockquote class=3D"iosymail"><div id=3D"yiv6768543116"><div><div style=3D"f=
ont-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" cla=
ss=3D"yiv6768543116ydpf02007b1yahoo-style-wrap"><div style=3D""><div dir=3D"=
ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-=
size:16px;">Hi Henry</div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Ne=
ue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-=
serif;font-size:16px;">(DISCLAIMER) I am not an expert on this subject but w=
hat I do know I am glad to share.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family=
:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear=3D"=
none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica,=
Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">I know this subject can be controversial=
just because there are so many opposing opinions. Let me start by saying I h=
ave no interest in fighting over whose opinion is right or wrong mainly beca=
use an opinion is not science or fact based quantifiable data. I am however m=
ore than willing to have a fruitful conversation that helps every one increa=
se their knowledge base on this subject.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font=
-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br cl=
ear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Hel=
vetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Camshafts along with many (too ma=
ny, haha) other high performance or racing items have been my passion for ov=
er 45 years and I have spent countless dollars and hours investigating this s=
o called black art called cam design. I have asked some of the best cam desi=
gners in the world about what I need in any particular motor and reached a p=
oint where some started saying " I don't know the answer to that question", o=
thers blew me off by saying that won't work with no explanation why. When I w=
as right around 40 years old I took on the attitude screw it, I'm going to d=
o it anyhow. I can truthfully say most things I tried in fact did not work b=
ut some things actually did. </div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-famil=
y:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear=3D=
"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica=
, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Moving forward there are 2 quotes I am r=
eminded of that I think are applicable here, the first is; " It's easier to c=
onvince someone of a lie that convince them they have been lied to" and the s=
econd is "Everything in the universe can be explained with math".</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif=
;font-size:16px;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">In a gene=
ral sense Ed Iskendarion, Harvey Crane, Dema Elgin and many others were way a=
head of their time and did their best to apply some math for smoothing purpo=
ses and trial and error to build cams that would make power and not beat the=
valve train to death. Over the years cam companies have amassed thousands o=
f lobe profiles and that combined with a ton of dyno run data from engine bu=
ilders is how they make their recommendations for todays customers so the qu=
estion is can they get you close? I think so depending on what engine you ar=
e working with, Chevy's and Fords, you have a really good chance. Other off b=
rand or non mainstream engines are basically what someone has developed on t=
heir own through trial and error like Kas. As a side note, many NASCAR engin=
e shops have 55 gallon barrels full of trial and error camshafts headed to t=
he scrap yard.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, He=
lvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" style=3D"">The worlds best cam designer to date in my opinion woul=
d be a guy you never heard of named Dick Jones. Dick had developed the math b=
y proving it over decades of testing and has 4 Indy wins to his credit among=
many other wins in racing. Dicks son Rick Jones has take the math a step fu=
rther by refining it and building a software program that will make you look=
like a hero right out of the box.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-famil=
y:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear=3D=
"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica=
, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Today, there is a way to have the perfe=
ct camshaft for your specific combination of parts. The perfect cam may or m=
ay not make more max hp than what you have currently depending on how good y=
our combination of parts are. My motors have made a couple more hp on the to=
p but tons more on the bottom and mid range which is why I have been accused=
of cheating, the cars really accelerate of the corners which is how you win=
races.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica=
, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-si=
ze:16px;">SUPPLY AND DEMAND </div><div dir=3D"ltr" st=
yle=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16=
px;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetic=
a Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">In simple terms, a com=
bination of engine parts is the demand side and the camshaft acts as the sup=
ply side. X engine specs demand X supply to make X HP at X RPM's, the cam de=
sign software looks at these parameters and mathematically generates a profi=
le providing the supply the your combination of parts demand. The specifics a=
re a little hard to get your head around and that's why I offered to help wi=
th cam designs.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, H=
elvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif=
;font-size:16px;">Most race engine camshafts are too large in my experience,=
that's why the TQ range is so tight or small (peaky). Enzo once said, HP se=
lls cars and TQ wins races. Example - ideally we want a really wide TQ band s=
ay 4500-8000 for example. If the engine makes peak HP at say 7500rpm and sti=
ll is making power at 8000 your combo of parts are good. If the motor makes p=
eak HP at 7500 and drops off a cliff at 7600 your parts are not capable of g=
etting to 8000, its not the camshafts fault generally speaking.</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;=
font-size:16px;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">You can ge=
t the software here and its stupid cheap at the moment. <a rel=3D"nofol=
low noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://in=
duction-logic.com/">https://induction-logic.com/</a> </div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-=
size:16px;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:H=
elvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">I thinks that's=
enough to get the ball rolling don't you, haha.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;=
"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica N=
eue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Questions / comments??</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, s=
ans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D=
"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><=
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ont-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" cla=
ss=3D"yiv6768543116ydpf02007b1signature"><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica=
, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick Parent</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">"<i>Doing the right thi=
ng is always the right thing, regardless of consequences</i>"</div><div dir=3D=
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On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 05:10:09 AM MST, yellow=
04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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</div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"yiv6768543116yqtfd759=
86" class=3D"yiv6768543116yqt8399007650">Rick,<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D=
"none">Needing to beat the guys at the pointy end of the pack is what racing=
is <br clear=3D"none">all about, right?<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none=
">If your engine has the billet bottom end you describe, you can safely <br c=
lear=3D"none">run pretty much any cam you desire. Plenty of options out ther=
e, from <br clear=3D"none">mild to wild. You are going to get a bunch of opi=
nions out of this <br clear=3D"none">thread!<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"=
none">First data point for you, the majority of the front running 4 cylinder=
<br clear=3D"none">TR's in the east run the old Gillanders #24. It's a beas=
t, makes power <br clear=3D"none">up to and beyond 7 grand. You let the revs=
drop below 4 grand and it is <br clear=3D"none">game over for that lap! I c=
an tell you multiple Kastner Cup winners had <br clear=3D"none">that cam in t=
heir car when they took home the Cup.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">H=
enry<br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv6768543116yqtfd04517" class=3D"yi=
v6768543116yqt9057081774"><div id=3D"yiv6768543116yqtfd78005" class=3D"yiv67=
68543116yqt8399007650"><br clear=3D"none">Rick McCurdy wrote:<br clear=3D"no=
ne">> <br clear=3D"none">> On another subject (and because I haven=E2=80=
=99t figured out how to do a<br clear=3D"none">> =E2=80=98dry=E2=80=99 po=
st), my motor got a bit =E2=80=98fried=E2=80=99 at the K Cup in<br clear=3D"=
none">> Pittsburgh last summer. In short, I=E2=80=99m seeking advice on a=
good, high<br clear=3D"none">> quality camshaft for a TR4 motor. Billet c=
rank, Carillo rods, forged<br clear=3D"none">> pistons, etc.<br clear=3D"=
none">> <br clear=3D"none">> Any suggestions? I=E2=80=99m not an engin=
eer, just a musician, and I don=E2=80=99t<br clear=3D"none">> need to bea=
t Henry Frye! (Well, not right away=E2=80=A6=F0=9F=98=81)<br clear=3D"none">=
> <br clear=3D"none">> Thanks,<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">__=
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