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Ken,
I agree with every word you say.
And for the record I am a forever loyal supporter and fan of all Triumph rac=
ers and Triumph cars - Have been for over 40 years.
I support and cheer for all of them regardless of what parts they use to rac=
e well.
The 6 cylinder cars bring a slightly different set of arguments to the table=
.
Compared to =E2=80=9Cstock=E2=80=9D the Webber option is great because it in=
creases the potential fuel and air delivery from 2 small units to 6 large un=
its.
A substantial modification always involving a custom intake manifold with ad=
ded throats.
A production category modification that was simply not allowed for GT6 racec=
ars in Any of the historic regulations that most vintage organizations claim=
to adhere to.=20
Slowly, as the 3rd, 4th, and 5th decades of GT6 racing entered into a more m=
odern era, some organizations started allowing cars with the =E2=80=9Ccheate=
r carbs=E2=80=9D for the GT6 platform.=20
I don=E2=80=99t mind if people run them in any organization.=20
I may soon be forced to run them myself.
And in my lifelong GT6 racing family they will always factually be referred t=
o as =E2=80=9CCheater carbs=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94As we=E2=80=99ve been calling t=
hem that for decades.
Jason Ostrowski=20
Friendly Ghost Racing=20
1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 13, 2022, at 9:34 AM, kknight@klaenv.com wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Cheater Weber=E2=80=99s? Where did the Almighty write on stone that no on=
e can race in vintage with a Weber carburetor? Walk through any pit at a vi=
ntage race event and see a significant % of cars, of all makes, with these i=
nstalled. In our club you bump up a category with Weber=E2=80=99s. In 2022=
it would be impossible to field a car with ALL Triumph parts inside the eng=
ine or transmission. One of the FOT members just let everyone know about ne=
w and updated critical parts for the transmission. I sure don=E2=80=99t con=
sider those to be cheater parts. I recall Kas telling stories about total e=
ngine rebuilds after every bloody race with stock TR parts. You know, back i=
n the day when he had a key to stock room of every part that Triumph supplie=
d and it was his full time job to field a car. Modern parts and oil keep ou=
r vintage cars on the track for seasons between rebuilds. If it is not agai=
nst the rules in the club you race in, it is not cheating. Ken
> =20
> From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski via Fo=
t
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 2:53 PM
> To: Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com>
> Cc: Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT Hallett racing video
> =20
> Great start by Frymark!
> And too bad the cheater Webber=E2=80=99s let him down.
> More proof that the racing Gods look down on non Triumph parts.
> Good drive Bob.
> Looked like fun.
> =20
> Jason Ostrowski=20
> Friendly Ghost Racing=20
> 1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars
> =20
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
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>=20
> On Oct 12, 2022, at 1:21 AM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
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> =EF=BB=BFIt was great fun having all the Triumphs together. Love Hallet, s=
uch a great track for our cars. Can=E2=80=99t wait to do it again.=20
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>=20
> On Oct 11, 2022, at 20:30, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> CVAR allowed the D Production Triumphs to join in with the Group 2 Product=
ion cars for the race weekend at Hallett. DP normally runs in Group 7 with C=
Prod and B Sedan, but Groups 1 and 7 were combined for Hallett and the Grou=
p 2 racers agreed to let us run with them. We fit in well. Here is a youtube=
link to the Sunday morning race.
>=20
> =20
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> =20
> =20
> https://youtu.be/wumRyOnyVOU
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> Bob Kramer
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Ken,<div>I agree with every word you say.</=
div><div>And for the record I am a forever loyal supporter and fan of all Tr=
iumph racers and Triumph cars - Have been for over 40 years.</div><div>I sup=
port and cheer for all of them regardless of what parts they use to race wel=
l.<br>The 6 cylinder cars bring a slightly different set of arguments to the=
table.</div><div>Compared to =E2=80=9Cstock=E2=80=9D the Webber option is g=
reat because it increases the potential fuel and air delivery from 2 small u=
nits to 6 large units.</div><div>A substantial modification always involving=
a custom intake manifold with added throats.</div><div>A production categor=
y modification that was simply not allowed for GT6 racecars in Any of the hi=
storic regulations that most vintage organizations claim to adhere to. =
</div><div>Slowly, as the 3rd, 4th, and 5th decades of GT6 racing entered in=
to a more modern era, some organizations started allowing cars with the =E2=80=
=9Ccheater carbs=E2=80=9D for the GT6 platform. </div><div>I don=E2=80=99=
t mind if people run them in any organization. </div><div>I may soon be=
forced to run them myself.</div><div>And in my lifelong GT6 racing family t=
hey will always factually be referred to as =E2=80=9CCheater carbs=E2=80=9D =E2=
=80=94As we=E2=80=99ve been calling them that for decades.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Jason Ostrowski </div><div>Friendly Ghost Racing </div><di=
v>1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars</div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPh=
one</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 13, 2022, at 9=
:34 AM, kknight@klaenv.com wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=
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oNormal">Cheater Weber=E2=80=99s? Where did the Almighty write on ston=
e that no one can race in vintage with a Weber carburetor? Walk throug=
h any pit at a vintage race event and see a significant % of cars, of all ma=
kes, with these installed. In our club you bump up a category with Web=
er=E2=80=99s. In 2022 it would be impossible to field a car with ALL T=
riumph parts inside the engine or transmission. One of the FOT members=
just let everyone know about new and updated critical parts for the transmi=
ssion. I sure don=E2=80=99t consider those to be cheater parts. I=
recall Kas telling stories about total engine rebuilds after every bloody r=
ace with stock TR parts. You know, back in the day when he had a key t=
o stock room of every part that Triumph supplied and it was his full time jo=
b to field a car. Modern parts and oil keep our vintage cars on the tr=
ack for seasons between rebuilds. If it is not against the rules in th=
e club you race in, it is not cheating. Ken<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:so=
lid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:=
</b> Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Ostrow=
ski via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 12, 2022 2:53 PM<br><b>To:</b=
> Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Fot <fot@autox.=
team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] FOT Hallett racing video<o:p></o:p=
></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">Great start by Frymark!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">An=
d too bad the cheater Webber=E2=80=99s let him down.<o:p></o:p></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">More proof that the racing Gods look down on non Tr=
iumph parts.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Good drive Bob.=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Looked like fun.<o:p></o:p>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">Jason Ostrowski <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">Friendly Ghost Racing <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bott=
om:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Oct 12, 2=
022, at 1:21 AM, Greg Blake via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net=
">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockq=
uote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">=EF=BB=BFIt was great fun having all the T=
riumphs together. Love Hallet, such a great track for our cars. Can=E2=80=99=
t wait to do it again. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent f=
rom my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p><=
/o:p></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Oct 11, 2022, at 20:30, Bob=
Kramer via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net=
</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style=3D"margin=
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o:p></p><div><div><div><div id=3D"gmail-meta"><div id=3D"gmail-meta-contents=
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cription"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-r=
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t"><span style=3D"font-family:Roboto;color:black">CVAR allowed the D Product=
ion Triumphs to join in with the Group 2 Production cars for the race weeken=
d at Hallett. DP normally runs in Group 7 with C Prod and B Sedan, but Group=
s 1 and 7 were combined for Hallett and the Group 2 racers agreed to let us r=
un with them. We fit in well. Here is a youtube link to the Sunday morning r=
ace.</span></span><span class=3D"gmail-style-scope"><span style=3D"font-fami=
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