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To: Phil Gott <vfracing@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question
From: Rick McCurdy via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 08:08:31 -0500
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I=E2=80=99ll add to the pile.=20
In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always=
 have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy.

 No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop someth=
ing rusty in my eye. (I don=E2=80=99t only work on a clean race car. (Curren=
tly, it=E2=80=99s a =E2=80=9867 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mi=
rror save the day.
=20
The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I=E2=80=99m grinding welds, s=
uddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I=E2=80=99ve got to track=
 down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh=
, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves.

(Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn=E2=80=99t hav=
e to grind...=F0=9F=91=8D)


Rick McCurdy
Newburgh, NY

> On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:=

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> =EF=BB=BFGood advice, all of it.
> In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 g=
allon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/=
tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or e=
ven an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn whi=
le grinding on my trailer. Yikes!
> Phil
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot <fot@autox.team.n=
et> wrote:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>>=20
>> Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. =20
>>=20
>> Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are=
 some of the most common causes of liability claims.=20
>>=20
>> Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you fro=
m taking them off to see better.=20
>>=20
>> The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course.=20
>>=20
>> And a phone to call for help. :)
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wro=
te:
>>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>> Paul,=20
>>> Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected a=
nd tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher a=
nd a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop.
>>>=20
>>> The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fir=
es, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you cl=
ean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting.=20
>>>=20
>>> He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock=
 down small flare ups.
>>>=20
>>> I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work=
 has cooled completely.
>>>=20
>>> I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if poss=
ible.
>>>=20
>>> Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items!
>>>=20
>>> Jason
>>>=20
>>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
>>>> FOT,
>>>>=20
>>>> I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments=
 with world class safety equipment.  As we know, the stuff costs money and a=
 lot of people work without most of it in their own environments.
>>>>=20
>>>> We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car a=
nd car parts.  It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment.  However, sa=
fety equipment is not always as fun.  Near where we live, two pretty smart p=
eople have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before t=
he fire department could arrive.  While I was running large car dealerships a=
nd body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used fr=
om time to time.  Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to=
 the fire department, because the right things were in the right places.
>>>>=20
>>>> Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment.  Including:
>>>>=20
>>>> 1.  Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind
>>>> 2.  High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, in=
cluding mounting them in the the trailer for at the track.  Some fires can b=
e spread really quickly by hitting the with H20.  Generally speaking water w=
ill not put out burning oil fire.  However, it will spread the burning oil a=
ll over really quickly.
>>>> 3.  Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that t=
hings should be covered
>>>> 4.  Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas th=
at could have sparks
>>>> 5.  New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide m=
onitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines)
>>>>=20
>>>> Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents.  Therefore, I th=
ough it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work ar=
eas.
>>>>=20
>>>> Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpf=
ul for shop area/garage safety?
>>>>=20
>>>> Paul Ricco
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">I=E2=80=99ll add to the pi=
le.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">In addition to the fire apparatus and aforem=
entioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying gl=
ass handy.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;No matter h=
ow tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in=
 my eye. (I don=E2=80=99t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it=E2=80=
=99s a =E2=80=9867 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the=
 day.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">The tweezers become=
 necessary because WHENEVER I=E2=80=99m grinding welds, suddenly there is an=
 irritation inside my glove and I=E2=80=99ve got to track down the splinter w=
ith the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must=
 be those HF splinter magnet gloves.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">(Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn=E2=80=
=99t have to grind...=F0=9F=91=8D)</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick McCurdy</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Newburgh=
, NY</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 17, 2021, at=
 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></block=
quote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-e=
quiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Good advice, al=
l of it.<div>In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have a=
n open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and fo=
r dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a=
 hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside m=
y barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes!</div><div>Phil<br><br><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite=
">On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.=
net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; chars=
et=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sounds a bit silly, b=
ut a broom. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Keeping t=
he floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the=
 most common causes of liability claims.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr">Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain a=
ge. Keeps you from taking them off to see better.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of c=
ourse.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">And a phone to=
 call for help. :)</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, J=
ason Sukey via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></d=
iv><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto">Pau=
l,&nbsp;<div dir=3D"auto">Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher=
's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressuri=
zed AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready a=
t my shop.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The township f=
ire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also st=
ated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduc=
e the chances of a fire starting.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding ar=
ea to knock down small flare ups.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding w=
ork has cooled completely.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage.</div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">When draining=
 or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible.</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thankfully, I've never had a chance t=
o test any of these items!</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">Jason</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">FOT,<br>
<br>
I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with=
 world class safety equipment.&nbsp; As we know, the stuff costs money and a=
 lot of people work without most of it in their own environments.<br>
<br>
We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and ca=
r parts.&nbsp; It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment.&nbsp; Howeve=
r, safety equipment is not always as fun.&nbsp; Near where we live, two pret=
ty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their house=
s before the fire department could arrive.&nbsp; While I was running large c=
ar dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did ne=
ed to be used from time to time.&nbsp; Fortunately we had them and never nee=
ded to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in t=
he right places.<br>
<br>
Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment.&nbsp; Including:<br=
>
<br>
1.&nbsp; Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind<br>
2.&nbsp; High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, in=
cluding mounting them in the the trailer for at the track.&nbsp; Some fires c=
an be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20.&nbsp; Generally speakin=
g water will not put out burning oil fire.&nbsp; However, it will spread the=
 burning oil all over really quickly.<br>
3.&nbsp; Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that t=
hings should be covered<br>
4.&nbsp; Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas th=
at could have sparks<br>
5.&nbsp; New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide m=
onitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines)<br>
<br>
Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents.&nbsp; Therefore, I th=
ough it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work ar=
eas.<br>
<br>
Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful fo=
r shop area/garage safety?<br>
<br>
Paul Ricco<br>
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