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Any suggestion on how to get the oil hotter?=20
yeah it's the pedal on the right...HTHGlen(sorry I couldn't resist!)
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From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: van.mulders.marcel <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>; Joe Boruch <jaboruc=
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Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2018 12:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was: Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? Now how to IDflow o=
utt he adapter?
Interesting discussion, I have a mildly warmed up TR4A street car. D cam, 8=
7mm, .100 milled head and lightened flywheel. No oil cooler but I do use th=
e larger capacity aluminum oil pan. My issue is getting the oil hot enough.=
Stock radiator with a Richard Good radiator shroud. Even at highway speeds=
my oil does not get much above 180 / 190 when ambient temperatures are bel=
ow 75 degrees. 180 degree thermostat installed. Driving around town the oil=
never gets above 180. Ambient temperatures above 75 allows the oil to get =
to 220 at highway speeds. I guess I could go to a higher degree thermostat =
but I=E2=80=99d risk overheating in street traffic. I have an electric fan =
set to come on at 190. Any suggestion on how to get the oil hotter? I run 2=
0W/50 Brad Penn oil.JVV=C2=A0From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot Sent: Frid=
ay, December 7, 2018 7:06 AM To: Joe Boruch Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Was:=
Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? Now how to IDflow outt he adapter?=C2=A0Ag=
ree that the oil is important for engine cooling , although 40% seems a lot=
: where could the engine oil loose all that heat, (with what medium could =
the oil exchange that amount of heat) especially when there is no oil coole=
r? At the risk of being pedant : Probably oil and water are not complementa=
ry in engine cooling: the water takes away the combustion heat in the first=
place, the oil takes away the heat caused by friction=C2=A0 (heat from the=
bearings especially). If the water T=C2=B0 gets too high, the engine will =
boil and an oil radiator will not cure that. If the oil T=C2=B0 gets too ho=
t, the bearings can fail and an oil cooler is the obvious cure, not a bigge=
r coolant radiator. Only to explain that I believe there is no need for an =
oil cooler with its complications if the oil T=C2=B0 is low enough without =
one.MarcelVan: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch@netzero.net>
Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>
Cc: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@spitfire4.com>, "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 7 december 2018 03:36:00
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Was: Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? Now how to ID flo=
w=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 outt=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 he adapter?
=C2=A0The oiling system provides a significant amount of engine cooling.=C2=
=A0 It has been a while since I have read the statistic, but I seem to reca=
ll it accounts for about 40% of the engine's cooling.=C2=A0 When I first ra=
ced my 1296+ Spitfire, it did not have an oil cooler, and it was overheatin=
g.=C2=A0 I installed an oil cooler and never had another overheating issue.=
=C2=A0 Maybe the oil cooler was compensating for an inadequate radiator, bu=
t it worked.=C2=A0In my TR3 I often see oil temps over 220 deg F.=C2=A0 Whe=
n pushing it hard the oil will get up around 280.=C2=A0 I have 2 oil cooler=
s, one on each side of the radiator.=C2=A0 Oil temp is measured in the pan.=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Modern race oils can take temps over 300 deg F without a probl=
em.=C2=A0 Oil that is too cold can lead to moisture accumulations and sludg=
e build up, in addition to robbing horsepower. I have heard that NASCAR eng=
ines are always running oil over 300 deg.=C2=A0 So whether your engine need=
s a cooler depends on what oil temps you see on the track and if your cooli=
ng system needs some help.=C2=A0 Hot oil is a good thing.=C2=A0 Cool oil or=
excessively hot oil is not good.=C2=A0 Joe(B)
From: "van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
To: Rocky Entriken <rocky@spitfire4.com>
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was: Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? Now how to ID flow =
outthe adapter?
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 12:02:07 +0100 (CET)
When starting road racing (circuit racing) I had an oil cooler in my car ju=
st like about everyone else. The oil T=C3=82=C2=B0 was always low, less tha=
n 100=C3=82=C2=B0C/212=C3=82=C2=B0F. In 2010, to get my car nearer the mini=
mum weight, I removed the oil cooler and I'm racing always without the cool=
er since then.Can't say that the oil T=C3=82=C2=B0=C2=A0 is higher without =
the cooler, maybe a little bit, but still always lower than 100=C3=82=C2=B0=
C , even after 1 hour races. I'd like to have the oil T=C3=82=C2=B0 a bit h=
igher!=C2=A0 So I believe most Triumph TR 4 cyl=C2=A0 cars don't need an oi=
l cooler at all, maybe the oil T=C3=82=C2=B0 is remaining too low in sprint=
races. There are only 3 main bearings and 4 big end bearings to heat the o=
il by friction. Compared to a modern engine, the oil isn't heated up much b=
y the distribition parts and in the cylinder head. About 80 bhp / litre is =
a lot for our old engines, but I think the modern oils have a rather easy l=
ife in it.Marcel
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<div> <font size=3D"2">yeah it's the pedal on the right...</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">HTH</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Glen</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">(sorry I couldn't resist!)<br>
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From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
To: van.mulders.marcel <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>; Joe Boruch &l=
t;jaboruch@netzero.net><br>
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2018 12:28 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was: Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? Now how to=09IDflow=
=09outt=09he adapter?<br>
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<div>Interesting discussion, I have a mildly warmed up TR4A street car. D c=
am,=20
87mm, .100 milled head and lightened flywheel. No oil cooler but I do use t=
he=20
larger capacity aluminum oil pan. My issue is getting the oil hot enough. S=
tock=20
radiator with a Richard Good radiator shroud. Even at highway speeds my oil=
does=20
not get much above 180 / 190 when ambient temperatures are below 75 degrees=
. 180=20
degree thermostat installed. Driving around town the oil never gets above 1=
80.=20
Ambient temperatures above 75 allows the oil to get to 220 at highway speed=
s. I=20
guess I could go to a higher degree thermostat but I=E2=80=99d risk overhea=
ting in=20
street traffic. I have an electric fan set to come on at 190. </div>
<div>Any suggestion on how to get the oil hotter? I run 20W/50 Brad Penn=20
oil.</div>
<div>JVV</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"fot@autox.tea=
m.net">van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 7, 2018 7:06 AM </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"jaboruch@netzer=
o.net">Joe Boruch</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"fot@autox.team.=
net">fot</a> </div>
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to=20
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<div>Agree that the oil is important for engine cooling , although 40% seem=
s a=20
lot : where could the engine oil loose all that heat, (with what medium cou=
ld=20
the oil exchange that amount of heat) especially when there is no oil coole=
r? At=20
the risk of being pedant : Probably oil and water are not complementary in=
=20
engine cooling: the water takes away the combustion heat in the first place=
, the=20
oil takes away the heat caused by friction (heat from the bearings=20
especially). If the water T=C2=B0 gets too high, the engine will boil and a=
n oil=20
radiator will not cure that. If the oil T=C2=B0 gets too hot, the bearings =
can fail=20
and an oil cooler is the obvious cure, not a bigger coolant radiator. Only =
to=20
explain that I believe there is no need for an oil cooler with its complica=
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if the oil T=C2=B0 is low enough without one.</div>
<div>Marcel</div>
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<jaboruch@netzero.net><br clear=3D"none"><b>Aan: </b>"van mulders mar=
cel"=20
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ntriken"=20
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one"><b>Verzonden:=20
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: [Fot] Was: Oil=20
Cooler or Oil filter first? Now how to ID=20
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<div>The oiling system provides a significant amount of engine cooling.&nbs=
p; It=20
has been a while since I have read the statistic, but I seem to recall it=
=20
accounts for about 40% of the engine's cooling. When I first raced my=
=20
1296+ Spitfire, it did not have an oil cooler, and it was overheating. =
; I=20
installed an oil cooler and never had another overheating issue. Mayb=
e the=20
oil cooler was compensating for an inadequate radiator, but it worked.</div=
>
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<div>In my TR3 I often see oil temps over 220 deg F. When pushing it =
hard=20
the oil will get up around 280. I have 2 oil coolers, one on each sid=
e of=20
the radiator. Oil temp is measured in the pan. </div>
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<div>Modern race oils can take temps over 300 deg F without a problem. =
; Oil=20
that is too cold can lead to moisture accumulations and sludge build up, in=
=20
addition to robbing horsepower. I have heard that NASCAR engines are always=
=20
running oil over 300 deg. So whether your engine needs a cooler depen=
ds on=20
what oil temps you see on the track and if your cooling system needs some=
=20
help. Hot oil is a good thing. Cool oil or excessively hot oil =
is=20
not good. Joe(B)</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">From: "van.mu=
lders.marcel--- via Fot"=20
<fot@autox.team.net><br clear=3D"none">To: Rocky Entriken=20
<rocky@spitfire4.com><br clear=3D"none">Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.ne=
t><br clear=3D"none">Subject:=20
Re: [Fot] Was: Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? Now how to ID flow outthe=20
adapter?<br clear=3D"none">Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 12:02:07 +0100 (CET)<br cl=
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<div>When starting road racing (circuit racing) I had an oil cooler in my c=
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just like about everyone else. The oil T=C3=82=C2=B0 was always low, less t=
han=20
100=C3=82=C2=B0C/212=C3=82=C2=B0F. In 2010, to get my car nearer the minimu=
m weight, I removed the=20
oil cooler and I'm racing always without the cooler since then.</div>
<div>Can't say that the oil T=C3=82=C2=B0 is higher without the coole=
r, maybe a=20
little bit, but still always lower than 100=C3=82=C2=B0C , even after 1 hou=
r races. I'd=20
like to have the oil T=C3=82=C2=B0 a bit higher! So I believe most Tr=
iumph TR 4=20
cyl cars don't need an oil cooler at all, maybe the oil T=C3=82=C2=B0=
is remaining=20
too low in sprint races. There are only 3 main bearings and 4 big end beari=
ngs=20
to heat the oil by friction. Compared to a modern engine, the oil isn't hea=
ted=20
up much by the distribition parts and in the cylinder head. About 80 bhp / =
litre=20
is a lot for our old engines, but I think the modern oils have a rather eas=
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