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Re: [Fot] Bent SU needles

To: Kas Kastner <kaskastner@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Bent SU needles
From: J Wagner via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 18:46:14 -0800
Cc: FOT <fot@autox.team.net>, Robert Johns <rjohns@woh.rr.com>
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Okay, I got a story, but it=E2=80=99s not bent needles....

I bought my first Triumph, a TR4A, from my brother for $700.00 when I was 15=
.  He had driven it for about a year, but he wasn=E2=80=99t a tinkerer and t=
he car needed restoration.

After many months of restoration, I finally had her running again and starte=
d looking at the SU=E2=80=99s.  It was my first experience with SU=E2=80=99s=
, as my older brothers tended to be American V8 fans, so looking over should=
ers didn=E2=80=99t help much.  Something wasn=E2=80=99t right, I felt like t=
here should be more power!  I took the filters off and studied the action to=
 try to understand these foreign gizmos.

I immediately noticed that at theoretical full throttle, those round discs (=
the butterflies) weren=E2=80=99t opening all the way.  I got out a wrench an=
d adjusted the linkage.  Soon I could see that full throttle would actually b=
e full throttle.  I took the car for a spin.  Now, for the first time, the c=
ar burned rubber like a V8 and the top speed was where it was supposed to be=
 based on the literature!

The fun was giving my older brothers a ride, particularly the one that had o=
wned it for a year.

They had no idea the car had that sort of power!  No one had noticed the poo=
r linkage adjustment. =20
The teenager with his first car figured it out! =20

I never had a bent needle over the years.  In various cars I often found poo=
rly centered needles wearing the sides of a needle and/or sticking.  And I d=
iscovered similar poor linkage adjustments in a couple cars. =20

Fond memories!

=E2=80=94Justin


> On Nov 15, 2018, at 4:47 PM, Kas Kastner via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrot=
e:
>=20
> I too have been there with the S.U's in pieces Bob , my wife sitting in th=
e psgr seat being VERY nice about it all and countless tries finally got thi=
ngs working well enough to drive home form the dealers shop. They had kindly=
 allowed me to use the shop afer a compettion but failed to leave some one t=
o guard me from myself. I guess that is how you learn, especially in the old=
en days with no manuals or internert, duh.............. which part is the je=
t? all this circa 1952.=20
> Never be beaten by equipment.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 4:06 PM Robert Johns via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>=
 wrote:
>> =20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>=20
>> I got to tell you a story about bent SU needles.  The very first sports c=
ar that acquired was in Germany in 1954.  I was Air Force and one of the fly=
ing officers got in deep trouble with the civilian governments and the air f=
orce and was what they called =E2=80=9Criffed=E2=80=9D and sent home.  He ha=
d a 48 MG TC that he had taken over to Germany from the states, that got lef=
t behind, when he was sent home. Through a fellow sports car club member, we=
 negotiated a deal, and I got the MG for about  $400, I think.  We towed  it=
 to the hanger that I worked out of, and I started to learn something about M=
Gs.  Some where along the line I took one of the SUs apart. I took the screw=
s out of the bell and lifted the bell up.  Guess what, the piston came up al=
so and proceeded to drop to the ground. The needle was badly bent but was no=
t broken.  So, I proceeded to do the roll trick and straightened it the best=
 that could.  The next time I had a day off I drove  to Koln in the MG and g=
ot a new set of needles from the importer. End of story.   =20
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div></div><div>Okay, I got a story, but it=
=E2=80=99s not bent needles....</div><div><br></div><div>I bought my first T=
riumph, a TR4A, from my brother for $700.00 when I was 15. &nbsp;He had driv=
en it for about a year, but he wasn=E2=80=99t a tinkerer and the car needed r=
estoration.</div><div><br></div><div>After many months of restoration, I fin=
ally had her running again and started looking at the SU=E2=80=99s. &nbsp;It=
 was my first experience with SU=E2=80=99s, as my older brothers tended to b=
e American V8 fans, so looking over shoulders didn=E2=80=99t help much. &nbs=
p;Something wasn=E2=80=99t right, I felt like there should be more power! &n=
bsp;I took the filters off and studied the action to try to understand these=
 foreign gizmos.</div><div><br></div><div>I immediately noticed that at theo=
retical full throttle, those round discs (the butterflies) weren=E2=80=99t o=
pening all the way. &nbsp;I got out a wrench and adjusted the linkage. &nbsp=
;Soon I could see that full throttle would actually be full throttle. &nbsp;=
I took the car for a spin. &nbsp;Now, for the first time, the car burned rub=
ber like a V8 and the top speed was where it was supposed to be based on the=
 literature!</div><div><br></div><div>The fun was giving my older brothers a=
 ride, particularly the one that had owned it for a year.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>They had no idea the car had that sort of power! &nbsp;No one had not=
iced the poor linkage adjustment. &nbsp;</div><div>The teenager with his fir=
st car figured it out! &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I never had a bent ne=
edle over the years. &nbsp;In various cars I often found poorly centered nee=
dles wearing the sides of a needle and/or sticking. &nbsp;And I discovered s=
imilar poor linkage adjustments in a couple cars. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div=
><div>Fond memories!</div><div><br></div><div>=E2=80=94Justin</div><div><br>=
</div><div><br>On Nov 15, 2018, at 4:47 PM, Kas Kastner via Fot &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">I too have been there with th=
e S.U's in pieces Bob , my wife sitting in the psgr seat being VERY nice abo=
ut it all and countless tries finally got things working well enough to driv=
e home form the dealers shop. They had kindly allowed me to use the shop afe=
r a compettion but failed to leave some one to guard me from myself. I guess=
 that is how you learn, especially in the olden days with no manuals or inte=
rnert, duh.............. which part is the jet? all this circa 1952.&nbsp;<b=
r clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartma=
il=3D"gmail_signature"><p><strong><font color=3D"#000099">Never be beaten by=
 equipment.</font></strong></p></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 4:06 PM Robert Johns via Fo=
t &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/=
?LinkId=3D550986" target=3D"_blank">
Mail</a> for Windows 10</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I got to tell you a story about bent SU needles.&nbsp=
; The very first sports car that acquired was in Germany in 1954.&nbsp; I wa=
s Air Force and one of the flying officers got in deep trouble with the civi=
lian governments and the air force and was
 what they called =E2=80=9Criffed=E2=80=9D and sent home.&nbsp; He had a 48 M=
G TC that he had taken over to Germany from the states, that got left behind=
, when he was sent home. Through a fellow sports car club member, we negotia=
ted a deal, and I got the MG for about &nbsp;$400, I think.&nbsp;
 We towed&nbsp; it to the hanger that I worked out of, and I started to lear=
n something about MGs.&nbsp; Some where along the line I took one of the SUs=
 apart. I took the screws out of the bell and lifted the bell up.&nbsp; Gues=
s what, the piston came up also and proceeded
 to drop to the ground. The needle was badly bent but was not broken.&nbsp; S=
o, I proceeded to do the roll trick and straightened it the best that could.=
&nbsp; The next time I had a day off I drove &nbsp;to Koln in the MG and got=
 a new set of needles from the importer. End
 of story. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p>
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