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Subject: [Fot] 89MM piston question
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 11:44:21 -0500
References: <CABFvdWv13Th2f+hZFCndcznWu0Vei48H7khi1xKU5-Wzx1oA2A@mail.gmail.com> <165af9a01ec-1ebe-24af@webjas-vad136.srv.aolmail.net>
Vic was one of in one of the 356's that weekend at COTA, and I recognize
the apt description of the bathtubs!

Bob Kramer

On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 10:57 AM, Bill Dentinger <billdentin at aol.com> wrote:

> Bob...
>
> All the years I raced, there was a covey of those 'Science Fiction
> Bathtubs' all prepped by Mark Eskuche and his Mequon, Wisconsin shop
> (Ecurie Racing).   The guy is a Porsche Wrench Legend, and one can't help
> but being totally impressed with his results.  Famous as a wrench,
> soft-spoken Eskuche is a hell of a driver too.  When ex-SCCA champion Vic
> Skirmants went 'vintage', Mark got in one of the cars he prepped for a
> client for a session, and gave Vic all he could handle.  I forget...he may
> even have won, but they swapped the lead back and forth for the whole
> session.  Once I was talking to him about engine work, and he told me that
> they spend as much time on the chassis.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: Paul Ricco <paulricco at att.net>
> Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2018 7:43 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] 89MM piston question
>
> Paul
>
> I think that what you asked for just happened. I hesitated to mention that
> I was going to buy 89's. I've been at this since 1996 and I considered them
> taboo, but the response has been both open and helpful, across the board. I
> now know what I need to know to be comfortable with them.
>
> I'm not doing the hard work that some guys have done to try and improve
> the dependability and power from the TR motor. I have always just built
> them using the best advice and the best parts I could afford, and then I
> drive the snot out of it. It's fun to have guys pass you on the long
> straights and get them back in the twisties. It's a lot less fun when the
> engine breaks. So a big shout out to the guys who have designed, crafted or
> otherwise improved the available parts for slackers like me!
>
> I'm with you, I think we do not share enough of our secrets. I am still
> pained by the first SVRA event at COTA, where some 15 or so 356's raced by
> me over and over again. Worse still they were in the garage next to me and
> I got to see the "originality" first hand. I don't think there was even one
> driver who worked on his own car.
>
>  Bob
>
> Bob Kramer
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 3:46 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> FOT,
>
> Large companies in the US have put so much focus on having their employees
> compete against each other internally that most employees have forgotten
> who the true competition is? the people that represent other companies.
>
> It would be great if the TR community continues to openly help each other
> keep the TRs completive against the Volvos, the 356s that sound like
> formula cars when they rip past (guessing none of them have a single
> compliant parts on them), MGs, etc.
>
> It would be great if FOT could remain a forum where people could ask
> questions, get honest answers from those who know, and people did not get
> smacked by someone who does not agree with them.
>
> It would great if we stayed focused as group to kick ass over the marques
> that we race against, instead of kicking each others' asses every time a
> question comes up.
>
> Even in the highly completive world of professional motorsports, the
> factory works teams that care about their marque's success do a tremendous
> amount to support privateers on and off the track.   They focus on beating
> the other marques first.  I have personally witnessed the Porsche factory
> team hand parts to a privateer at an IMSA race.  All done that so the
> privateer would start and finish the race successfully.  All done to
> promote the marques over other marques.  We have a lot of fun at the track
> when the TRs are all doing great in their respective classes over the other
> marques in the group.
>
> Have a great labor day weekend and I look forward to seeing a group of
> fast TRs at RA in a few weeks.
>
> Paul
>
> On Sep 1, 2018, at 11:02 AM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> If you really had serious compliance with most group's rules, I would
> guess half the TR cars would not pass muster.  Let's have fun together.
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 9:40 AM Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Indeed there are Glen.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of fubog1 via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 1, 2018 7:34:26 AM
> *To:* rkramer56 at gmail.com
> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] 89MM piston question
>
>
> everybody else seems to be using 89.
>
> HaHa not everybody, rules say 87mm, there are still a few guys running
> them (and winning)...
> Glen
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: van.mulders.marcel <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
> Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Aug 31, 2018 11:26 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] 89MM piston question
>
> I've always used 87 MM due to the rules but everybody else seems to be
> using 89. The procedures are the same so It'll be the same. I blew a head
> gasket last time out, compression into the cooling system and blew off the
> bottom hose. I guess it wasn't tight enough, and scuffed two pistons
> before I could shut it down.
>
> Bob Kramer
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 12:43 PM, <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> wrote:
>
> Bob,
> It is definitely necessary to make that modification to the liners. The
> relieve should correspond to the shape of the combustion chambers : about 4
> mm wide on a 89mm engine.
> Marcel
>
> ------------------------------
> *Van: *"fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Cc: *"fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Verzonden: *Donderdag 30 augustus 2018 00:05:43
> *Onderwerp: *[Fot] 89MM piston question
>
> Do the guys running the 89MM pistons and liners need to relieve the liners
> to clear the intake valve, or does the extra MM make the difference?
>
> Bob Kramer
>
> On Tue,
>
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