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Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR4A head gasket, 87 mm cylinders
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:28:10 GMT
This has been an issue for years, and it has delayed me putting my TR3 engine 
back together.  I have used a steel shim gasket for years with success, but it 
takes me 5 or so hours to put the gasket together, after grinding to properly 
fit the bores and then fitting the copper wire in the fire rings, then coating 
it with copper coat or Yamabond.   It would be great to have a Cometic MLS 
gasket to just install and be done.  I spoke to Cometic about this some years 
ago and they wanted me to buy a large quantity (50 or 100, I forget) to justify 
the development costs.  I spoke with a couple of our TR part sellers, but since 
they had invested in tooling for steel shim gaskets (or others), they were not 
interested in pursuing this for their businesses.  The current Cometic gaskets 
do not account for the unshrouded intake valve. On a semi-related note, has 
anyone considered or tried having cylinder sleeves pressed into a block to 
eliminate the "wet" sleeves with the figure 8 gaskets at the bottom of the 
sleeve?  I am now racing a Honda S2000 and with my recent engine build I had 
Darton steel sleeves pressed in to eliminate the damaged aluminum bores (also 
87mm bore).  There are Darton wet sleeves that completely eliminate the 
aluminum bores and dry sleeves that are pressed into bored out aluminum bores.  
I was thinking that the Darton wet sleeves could maybe work in the TR3/4 block. 
 If sleeves are pressed in, the tops can be decked level with the block and 
eliminate the need to have the sleeves protrude above the block deck.   Joe(B)

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From: patrickmannion1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>, asg123 at centurylink.net, 
triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] TR4A head gasket, 87  mm cylinders
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 18:18:13 -0700


Hi Jerry, I'm about to use Moss Motors supplied 89mm liners. For years we've 
used standard liners, milled the head for 10:1 and higher street use. Carefully 
removing the lip on the head around the intake valve and notching and indexing 
each liner to match material removed from the cylinder head shrouding. Using 
89mm liners (bigger bore) you will remove less material from the head to raise 
compression. If liner projection is correct we've used the steel shim head 
gasket BPNW have the correct gasket, be conservative in removing material. The 
heagasket also needs to be trimmed to compensate for material removed from the 
liner/intake port shroudind on the head. In modifying the head gasket you do 
not want it to "hang into" the combustion chamber or you will get detionation 
and gasket damage. Finally carefully use contact cement and glue a single 
strand of .012" Copper wire into the groove that is around the circumference of 
each cylinder of the gasket. I think I have pictures or can take some this 
weekend. We've done this for many years on lots of TR and Morgan race engines 
and have had great success and no failures.       t

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