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.012 would not surprise me for stack height variation. My guess is that he
ordered by bearing NUMBER-not by bearing assembly. There is a thing called
"half stand tolerance" that would cut his error in at least half. There
isn't really an issue here-he is just seeing the standard deviation in
assemblies, and that is why they have to use shims to get it perfect. The
original assembly probably has that stand tolerance and over time that
information has been lost. Each assembly throws off a unique set of
dimensions. MORE SHIMS!!!!!
Jim Cox
800.335.3063 /417.849.2095
www.bransonauction.com
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From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Styduhar
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 11:52 AM
To: Jason Sukey
Cc: FOT list
Subject: Re: [Fot] variation in Timken carrier bearing width?
Some of the USA-stamped Timkens even look cheap when you compare them to the
England-made. I wouldn't be surprised if they were made overseas. If there
is nothing wrong with your old bearings, why replace them?
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Jason Sukey <jsukey@gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in carrier bearing width's
when rebuilding a spitfire differential? The one I'm building right now,
I've replaced what I suspect are the original bearings (Timken England) with
brand new Timken USA bearings. In order to reach the required .004"
preload, it will require .012" LESS total shim than what was in there
originally. That seems like a big difference with the only variable being
new bearings. I'm using the same housing, same carrier, the bearings
visually look to be fully pressed home. Anyone else experience this?
Thanks,
Jason Sukey
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http://www.fot-racing.com
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guess
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thing
called “half stand tolerance” that would cut his error in at =
least
half. There isn’t really an issue here-he is just seeing the =
standard
deviation in assemblies, and that is why they have to use shims to get =
it
perfect. The original assembly probably has that stand tolerance and =
over time
that information has been lost. Each assembly throws off a unique =
set of
dimensions. MORE SHIMS!!!!!</span><span =
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Calibri;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:navy'>Jim Cox<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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color:navy'>800.335.3063 /417.849.2095<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Fot [<a
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.=
net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Styduhar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 29, 2016 11:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jason Sukey<br>
<b>Cc:</b> FOT list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] variation in Timken carrier bearing =
width?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Some of the USA-stamped Timkens even look cheap =
when you compare
them to the England-made. I wouldn't be surprised if they were =
made
overseas. If there is nothing wrong with your old bearings, why replace =
them?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Jason Sukey <<a
href=3D"mailto:jsukey@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">jsukey@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Has anyone else noticed rather large variation in =
carrier
bearing width's when rebuilding a spitfire differential? The one =
I'm
building right now, I've replaced what I suspect are the original =
bearings
(Timken <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on">England</st1:country-region>) =
with brand
new Timken <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region>
bearings. In order to reach the required .004" preload, it =
will
require .012" LESS total shim than what was in there =
originally.
That seems like a big difference with the only variable being new
bearings. I'm using the same housing, same carrier, the bearings =
visually
look to be fully pressed home. Anyone else experience =
this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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