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Subject: Re: [Fot] Gearbox thoughts
From: "Terry Stetler" <tlizzard@msn.com>
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We change the gearbox oil after every race weekend on Jeff's TR3, per =
Glen's advice.

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It's cheap insurance, and it works.   And we all know how fast that TR3 =
is now...

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Thanks Glen.

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Terry Stetler


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Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:31 PM

Subject: Re: [Fot] Gearbox thoughts




Oops, one more thing to add to my pre-race prep.  Every race weekend, =
really?

Sent from my mobile device=20


On Oct 15, 2015, at 12:35 PM, fubog1 =



I haven't converted one to the Stag type thrust bearing but I do =
advocate changing the gearoil regularly (every race or 2), they live a =
lot longer. The trash in the gearoil eats the washers up, exacerbating =
the load/wear issue.
Glen
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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 12:11 pm
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox thoughts


Since we have been thinking about gearbox's. The Stag layshaft was =
changed by
Triumph to try and make them last longer due to the additional torque of =
the V8.
They added needle bearings in place of the brass thrust washers at each =
end and
an additional bearing  in the lay gear at the end where 1st gear is. Has =
anybody
tried this set up in a racing box? Does it help in the wearing of the =
layshaft?


The addition of needle bearings means that the spacing of the box inside
where the lay gear rides is greater. The needle bearings being thicker =
than the
thrust washers. This means that the Stag box is different inside.=20
I have been
able to make a tool that will cut the inside of a TR box to be the same =
as a
Stag. I plan to build a box using the needle bearings. Don't at this =
time plan
to put another bearing inside the lay gear. If I make the lay gear =
deeper
inside, I am afraid it will not be hard enough for the bearings to ride =
inside.


Before doing all this, has any body gone down this road before. If so =
what
has been the experience?=20
Also any body with thoughts chime in. Is it worth the
effort?

Dean
T.

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<DIV>We change the gearbox oil after every race weekend on Jeff's TR3, =
per=20
Glen's advice.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It's cheap insurance, and it works.&nbsp;&nbsp; And we all know how =
fast=20
that TR3 is now...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks Glen.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Terry Stetler</DIV>
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  Re: [Fot] Gearbox thoughts</DIV>
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  <DIV>Oops, one more thing to add to my pre-race prep. &nbsp;Every race =

  weekend, really?<BR><BR>Sent from my mobile device&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><BR>On Oct 15, 2015, at 12:35 PM, fubog1 &lt;<A =
title=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com"=20
  href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com";>fubog1@aol.com</A>&gt; =
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  <DIV><FONT color=3D"black" face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" =
size=3D"2">I h<FONT=20
  size=3D"2">aven't converted one to the Stag type thrust bearing but I =
do=20
  advocate changing the gearoil regularly (every race or 2), they live a =
lot=20
  longer. The trash in the gearoil eats the washers up, exacerbating the =

  load/wear issue.<BR>Glen<BR></FONT>=20
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>
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  style=3D"color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica; font-size: =
10pt;">-----Original=20
  Message-----<BR>From: Dean Tetterton &lt;<A =
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<PRE style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><TT>Since we have been thinking about =
gearbox's. The Stag layshaft was changed by=0A=
Triumph to try and make them last longer due to the additional torque of =
the V8.=0A=
They added needle bearings in place of the brass thrust washers at each =
end and=0A=
an additional bearing  in the lay gear at the end where 1st gear is. Has =
anybody=0A=
tried this set up in a racing box? Does it help in the wearing of the =
layshaft?=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
The addition of needle bearings means that the spacing of the box inside=0A=
where the lay gear rides is greater. The needle bearings being thicker =
than the=0A=
thrust washers. This means that the Stag box is different inside. =0A=
I have been=0A=
able to make a tool that will cut the inside of a TR box to be the same =
as a=0A=
Stag. I plan to build a box using the needle bearings. Don't at this =
time plan=0A=
to put another bearing inside the lay gear. If I make the lay gear deeper=0A=
inside, I am afraid it will not be hard enough for the bearings to ride =
inside.=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
Before doing all this, has any body gone down this road before. If so =
what=0A=
has been the experience? =0A=
Also any body with thoughts chime in. Is it worth the=0A=
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Dean=0A=
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