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Re: [Fot] differential Pinion Height

To: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr@McCarty-Law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] differential Pinion Height
From: Bill Babcock <Bill@ponostyle.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 11:35:11 -0700
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
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Being the poster child for ADD, it=E2=80=99s pretty random. Whatever got =
imprinted while I was driving to the track, usually. I whistle while =
I=E2=80=99m in the pits and it drives some folks crazy. They should hear =
my singing, they=E2=80=99d be grateful for the whistle.=20


> On Aug 31, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr@McCarty-Law.com> =
wrote:
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> OK, I=E2=80=99ll bite.  Just out of curiosity, what do you sing?
> =20
> Scott B.
> =20
> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net =
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 9:18 PM
> To: James J Dolan <jdolan@voyagerhldgs.com =
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot@autox.team.net =
> Subject: Re: [Fot] differential Pinion Height
> =20
> That=E2=80=99s pretty slick, but it doesn=E2=80=99t set the pinion =
height. The pinion height above the bearing determines where the teeth =
contact the drive gear. The lash from the shims on the right and left =
side of the spider determine the depth of engagement, but pinon height =
determines the point of engagement=E2=80=94either at the base of the =
driven gear, the middle (where it=E2=80=99s supposed to be) or the top. =
Unfortunately, lacking the factory gear bobs and gimcracks, the only way =
I know to do this is to guess, then install everything, paint the gear =
teeth with blue, and roll them through an engagement cycle. The pattern =
on the teeth tell you where you are. then take everything apart again, =
change stuff, and try again. Last time (two weeks ago) took me five =
tries to get it right, but that=E2=80=99s better than the first time I =
did it. I can now fix two things at once (height and depth), and I=E2=80=99=
ve learned to go in tiny increments (.003=E2=80=9D or less if you have a =
skinnier shim=E2=80=94the smallest from moss are .003=E2=80=9D but my =
stash has some .001=E2=80=9D in it of both the spider shims and the =
pinion shims. I don=E2=80=99t worry too much about the bearing preload =
for either the pinion or the spider. I figure if I don=E2=80=99t have =
shake in the pinion and can just barely get the diff out, then I=E2=80=99m=
 in the ballpark. I=E2=80=99m not trying to build a 50K mile, noiseless =
diff, I just want it to hold together in races and not be louder than my =
singing when I=E2=80=99m racing (yes, I do).=20
> =20
> =20
> On Aug 29, 2015, at 3:42 PM, James J Dolan <jdolan@voyagerhldgs.com =
> =20
> Wow
> Imagine building Triumphs on an assembly line and doing a few hundred =
rear axles a day that way.=20
> =20
> A Guinness or two at lunch and the next thing the whole contraption =
falls over and the lead shot goes everywhere, and the poor bloke spends =
the entire work shift picking up tiny marbles. Quality control problem!!
> =20
> Sure explains why the damn cars stopped being made and the British no =
longer have an Empire.=20
> =20
> And to think we race them......
> =20
> All joking aside, that is pretty creative.=20
> =20
> Jim
> =20
> GT6 #6 Kastner
> GT6 #4 Group 44
> GT6 #5
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 29, 2015, at 4:13 PM, J.C. Hassall <jhassall@gmail.com =
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> Scott,=20
> =20
> This is how I set up my TR4 pinion.  A 1/2" square piece of steel =
stock inserted into a socket.  The steel bar thru the square stock was =
counter balanced to give zero rotation.  With inch increments lightly =
notched into the rod, it was easy to locate the bag of lead shot at =
precise locations.  When the rod tipped, the pinion torque was dead on.  =
BTW, the 2x4 was supporting the diff front, not the drive flange.  It =
only took a few trials to tighten the nut to the required torque.
> =20
> hth
> =20
> jim
> =20
> <pinion preload tool.JPG>
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> <pinion preload tool.JPG>
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> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com =
> I'm replacing the bearings in the diff (w/Timken USA) and am puzzled =
by the "set pinion height" instructions.  Here's what the workshop =
manual says (paraphrase):
>  - install the pinion head bearing without the normal 0.10" spacer =
between it and the pinion.
> - install the pinion shaft with bearings, no bearing spacer, shims or =
oil seal, and torque to 12-16 ft-lb
> - put a dial gauge on the housing with the plunger contacting the =
pinion, then putting downward pressure on the gauge, obtain a maximum =
reading  (appears to be one of those special factory tools in the photo =
though none is cited)
> -this reading, subtracted from the normal spacer thickness of 0.10", =
determines the thickness of the "selective spacer required".
> =20
> Huh?  first of all, the spacer is 0.10" so how can there be a =
different thickness spacer?  The diagram shows no shims at this =
location.  Second and more important, why would the assembly move at all =
and produce any dial indicator readings, given that the pinion bearing =
assembly is torqued to 12-16 lb? =20
> =20
> These are not the instructions for shimming the spacer between the =
bearings, I understand those - though I am looking for ideas for a =
homemade preload gauge I could easily make up.
> =20
> Are the instructions missing something or am I?
> =20
> thanks!
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Being the poster child for ADD, it=E2=80=99s pretty random. =
Whatever got imprinted while I was driving to the track, usually. I =
whistle while I=E2=80=99m in the pits and it drives some folks crazy. =
They should hear my singing, they=E2=80=99d be grateful for the =
whistle.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Aug 31, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Barr, Scott &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:sbarr@McCarty-Law.com"; =
class=3D"">sbarr@McCarty-Law.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">OK, I=E2=80=99ll bite.&nbsp; Just out of =
curiosity, what do you sing?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Scott B.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D""><div =
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style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Bill Babcock<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Saturday, August 29, 2015 =
9:18 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>James J Dolan &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jdolan@voyagerhldgs.com"; style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">jdolan@voyagerhldgs.com</a>&gt;<br=
 class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>'Friends of Triumph' =
Triumph &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: =
purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] differential =
Pinion Height<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">That=E2=80=99s pretty slick, but it =
doesn=E2=80=99t set the pinion height. The pinion height above the =
bearing determines where the teeth contact the drive gear. The lash from =
the shims on the right and left side of the spider determine the depth =
of engagement, but pinon height determines the point of =
engagement=E2=80=94either at the base of the driven gear, the middle =
(where it=E2=80=99s supposed to be) or the top. Unfortunately, lacking =
the factory gear bobs and gimcracks, the only way I know to do this is =
to guess, then install everything, paint the gear teeth with blue, and =
roll them through an engagement cycle. The pattern on the teeth tell you =
where you are. then take everything apart again, change stuff, and try =
again. Last time (two weeks ago) took me five tries to get it right, but =
that=E2=80=99s better than the first time I did it. I can now fix two =
things at once (height and depth), and I=E2=80=99ve learned to go in =
tiny increments (.003=E2=80=9D or less if you have a skinnier shim=E2=80=94=
the smallest from moss are .003=E2=80=9D but my stash has some .001=E2=80=9D=
 in it of both the spider shims and the pinion shims. I don=E2=80=99t =
worry too much about the bearing preload for either the pinion or the =
spider. I figure if I don=E2=80=99t have shake in the pinion and can =
just barely get the diff out, then I=E2=80=99m in the ballpark. I=E2=80=99=
m not trying to build a 50K mile, noiseless diff, I just want it to hold =
together in races and not be louder than my singing when I=E2=80=99m =
racing (yes, I do).&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">On =
Aug 29, 2015, at 3:42 PM, James J Dolan &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jdolan@voyagerhldgs.com"; style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">jdolan@voyagerhldgs.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">Wow<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Imagine building Triumphs on an assembly =
line and doing a few hundred rear axles a day that way.&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">A Guinness or two at lunch and the next =
thing the whole contraption falls over and the lead shot goes =
everywhere, and the poor bloke spends the entire work shift picking up =
tiny marbles. Quality control problem!!<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Sure explains why the damn cars stopped =
being made and the British no longer have an Empire.&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">And to think we race them......<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">All joking aside, that is pretty =
creative.&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">Jim<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">GT6 #6 Kastner<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">GT6 #4 Group 44<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">GT6 #5<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif;"><br class=3D"">On Aug 29, 2015, at 4:13 PM, J.C. Hassall =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jhassall@gmail.com"; style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">jhassall@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div=
 class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Scott,<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">This is how I set up my TR4 pinion.&nbsp; =
A 1/2" square piece of steel stock inserted into a socket.&nbsp; The =
steel bar thru the square stock was counter balanced to give zero =
rotation.&nbsp; With inch increments lightly notched into the rod, it =
was easy to locate the bag of lead shot at precise locations.&nbsp; When =
the rod tipped, the pinion torque was dead on.&nbsp; BTW, the 2x4 was =
supporting the diff front, not the drive flange.&nbsp; It only took a =
few trials to tighten the nut to the required torque.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">hth<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">jim<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">&lt;pinion preload tool.JPG&gt;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
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class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
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style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">&lt;pinion preload tool.JPG&gt;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Scott =
Janzen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sjanzen@me.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">sjanzen@me.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-style: none none none =
solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; =
padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">I'm =
replacing the bearings in the diff (w/Timken USA) and am puzzled by the =
"set pinion height" instructions.&nbsp; Here's what the workshop manual =
says (paraphrase):<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp;- install the pinion head bearing =
without the normal 0.10" spacer between it and the pinion.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">- install the pinion shaft with bearings, no bearing spacer, =
shims or oil seal, and torque to 12-16 ft-lb<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">- put a dial gauge on the housing with the plunger contacting =
the pinion, then putting downward pressure on the gauge, obtain a =
maximum reading &nbsp;(appears to be one of those special factory tools =
in the photo though none is cited)<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">-this reading, =
subtracted from the normal spacer thickness of 0.10", determines the =
thickness of the "selective spacer required".<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Huh? &nbsp;first of all, the spacer is =
0.10" so how can there be a different thickness spacer?&nbsp; The =
diagram shows no shims at this location.&nbsp; Second and more =
important, why would the assembly move at all and produce any dial =
indicator readings, given that the pinion bearing assembly is torqued to =
12-16 lb? &nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">These are not the instructions for shimming the =
spacer between the bearings, I understand those - though I am looking =
for ideas for a homemade preload gauge I could easily make up.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Are the instructions missing something or =
am I?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">thanks!<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><p =
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