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Mike,
I bought the stahl header jig for the TR4 and Richard already owned the TR6
jig they had.
I completely stripped the Stahl jig as there was nothing about it I liked.
I can't get back to making any headers until fall.
jim g
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From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Deweerd
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 2:57 PM
To: Dan Forgey
Cc: Triumph List; triumph fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Damn Headers (Again)
Dan
I got into a discussion with ???"someone"???? at Summit point who told me
that ???"another someone" ??? Had bought the tooling and design from Stahl
for the TR4s ..... I wish I could remember who it was that was telling me
this and who it was that bought it from Stahl .....hopefully someone will
chime in ......someone with a better memory then me :)
It may have been Richard Good ???
Anyway I purchased a stahl header just before they retired and had quite the
fitting issues as well ...in Stahl's defence my head is milled down so the
flange hit the block but the flange was also too big for my intake to fit
and the bolt holes didn't line up to the head..... a slight massage of the
frame and it fit passed the frame but I ended up welding the inside of the
tubes do I could remove enough material to fit the intake :(
Good luck
Cheers Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 18, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Dan Forgey <cofrog@q.com> wrote:
Headers on my TR4A race car have been a pain. Ones that came with the car
were the stuff from the big three. Bought Stahl headers that wouldn't clear
the lower A-arm mount and had other fitment issues.
So had some custom one's made at Hank's Hot Rods in Colorado who is involved
with NASA. He quoted me about $600 and I let him have the Stahl headers and
car with instructions to make some with basic design of the Stahl headers
that would fit. When done the price was 2.5 times the quote, nowhere near
the design of the Stahls and showed shoddy workmanship. Don't go there! Only
good part on the was the correct size flange I got from Mordy Dunst.
The shoddy swordsmanship has caught up with me after doing repairs in the
past and there is an unrepairable hole where the #4 tube is entering the
collector.
Chris Marx has recommended a Phoenix stainless steel racing header that he
has used with success. Haven't been able to find this (yet). However found
these; http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RF4075. Has anyone used them or
have an opinion? I'd be tempted to try Ken Gillander's headers but he is
indisposed at this time.
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Richard already owned the TR6 jig they had. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I completely stripped the Stahl jig =
as
there was nothing about it I liked. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I can’t get back to making =
any
headers until fall.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Fot
[mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Mike Deweerd<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, July 18, =
2015 2:57
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Dan Forgey<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Triumph List; triumph =
fot<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] Damn =
Headers
(Again)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I got into a discussion with ???"someone"???? at =
<st1:City
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Summit</st1:place></st1:City> point =
who told me
that ???"another someone" ??? Had bought the tooling and =
design from
Stahl for the TR4s ..... I wish I could remember who it was that was =
telling me
this and who it was that bought it from Stahl .....hopefully someone =
will chime
in ......someone with a better memory then me =
:) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>It may have been Richard Good ???<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Anyway I purchased a stahl header just before they retired and =
had
quite the fitting issues as well ...in Stahl's defence my head is milled =
down
so the flange hit the block but the flange was also too big for my =
intake to
fit and the bolt holes didn't line up to the head..... a slight massage =
of the
frame and it fit passed the frame but I ended up welding the inside of =
the tubes
do I could remove enough material to fit the intake =
:( <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Jul 18, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Dan Forgey <<a =
href=3D"mailto:cofrog@q.com";>cofrog@q.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Headers on my TR4A race car have =
been a
pain. Ones that came with the car were the stuff from the big =
three.
Bought Stahl headers that wouldn't clear the lower A-arm mount and =
had
other fitment issues. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>So had some custom one's made at =
Hank's
Hot Rods in <st1:State w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Colorado</st1:place></st1:State>
who is involved with NASA. He quoted me about $600 and I let him =
have the
Stahl headers and car with instructions to make some with basic design =
of the
Stahl headers that would fit. When done the price was 2.5 times =
the
quote, nowhere near the design of the Stahls and showed shoddy =
workmanship.
Don't go there! Only good part on the was the correct size flange I got =
from
Mordy Dunst.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The shoddy swordsmanship has =
caught up
with me after doing repairs in the past and there is an unrepairable =
hole where
the #4 tube is entering the collector. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p=
>
</div>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Chris Marx has recommended a =
<st1:City
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Phoenix</st1:place></st1:City> =
stainless steel
racing header that he has used with success. Haven't been able to find =
this
(yet). However found these; <a
href=3D"http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RF4075";>http://www.rimmerbros=
.co.uk/Item--i-RF4075</a>.
Has anyone used them or have an opinion? I'd be tempted to =
try Ken
Gillander's headers but he is indisposed at this =
time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p=
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