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Re: [Fot] Unleaded and valve seat damage: Myth???

To: Bill Babcock <billb@bnj.com>, Mark Eginton <markconsultation@twcny.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Unleaded and valve seat damage: Myth???
From: Don Elliott <58tr3a@videotron.ca>
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:53:07 -0500
I rebuilt the engine for my 1958 TR3A in 1988 during my restoration from 
1987 to 1990.  It had 80,300 miles on it from new.  I decided I'd run an 
experiment.  I would drive it on un-leaded fuel till I needed to put in 
valve seat inserts.



I use my TR for normal touring, sometimes for long trips and at high speed 
on major roads.  I drove 40,000 miles on my rebuilt head with un-leaded 
high-octane pump fuel and no additives.  Some of the valves were still the 
original ones.  Starting about 35,000 miles after the re-build, I noticed 
that I needed to re-gap my exhaust valves more frequently.  At 40,000 miles, 
the gaps for the exhaust valves had dropped from 0.012" down to 0.002" in 
only 2,000 miles.  Then I had to re-gap them every 1,000 miles.  So, in 
2000, with 43,000 miles on the head since 1990, I decided to have valve seat 
inserts installed. Some of the valves were razor sharp around the edges. The 
seats had recessed upwards (valve seat recession) about 1/32" into the cast 
iron head.  It was time.



I bought 8 new valves and 8 new valve guides.  I had an engine re-build shop 
do the work. I had him put the inserts in the head for the 4 exhaust valves. 
Since 2000 when I had this done, I've driven 59 ,000 touring miles and even 
though I check the valve gaps every 5,000 miles, I've only had to adjust two 
or three gaps a few times.  Each time, it's been a different valve.  And 
this is only a few thou when I have to do it.  So it was a really a good 
decision to have them done.



Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A, Montreal

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> Yeah, I never have had a problem either. I've had more than a few heads 
> done
> with hardened seats, but that's because I was doing work on them. My 
> vincent
> still has the original seats, and so do my BSA's --no sign of problems.
> On Feb 13, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Mark Eginton wrote:
>
>> As an old car buff for too many years, I can't say I have ever lost a 
>> valve
> to unleaded gas. From flatheads through muscle cars including vintage
> motorcycles and 40 years of driving this Triumph. I thought I would be 
> safe on
> this engine and go ahead and do the valve seats when an old machinist I 
> like
> to use told me its all a myth and that he has never seen valve seat damage
> either. "I'll be glad to take you money..."
>>
>> Just thought I would ping the list before closing on this decision.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> M
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