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The stude V8 oil burning was primarily due to valve guide
seals that hardened and disintegrated. The 6's due to=20
slop in the valve guile area and too much oil in the lifter valleys.
engine kits for the 6's came with a strip of spring steel to restrict
oil to that lifter valley. Stude V8's consistently put way too much
oil to the rockers, unlike most of our tractor motors.
The overdrives were pretty darn nice. my '62 stude pickup
has a small V8 and overdrive and works very well. hope to
someday have occasion to tow a TR race car to a race.
Studes were noted for strong engines, rust, rattles,
and oil leaks - makes them a very large Triumph with a=20
good electrical system!
art de armond
----- Original Message -----=20
From: RACER BUD=20
To: Steven Preiss ; edwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
Cc: fot@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
One of my favorite cars for Style was the (I think 53 stude..Golden =
Hawk?..no fins...when the fins were added..they were literaly =
'attached')..i saw a NASCAR Hawk in a movie theater lobby promoting a =
movie which I cannot remember(mid -late 1950s)...That was one of the =
cars that added to the racing bug
Racer Bud
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Steven Preiss=20
To: edwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
Cc: fot@autox.team.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
One of my neighborhood friends growing up was a Studebaker nut, a =
passion (or perhaps a genetic trait) no doubt inherited from his dad. =
They would work into the night in the carport on one or another of their =
cars, droplights providing a weary glow. The cars, which as I recall =
ranged from a 1950 convertible, painted red with a white top, to a sleek =
Silver Hawk with a 289 and glass packs, always seemed exotic in an =
atypical American sort of way. A buddy of theirs had what they referred =
to as 'the Studebaker farm', which was actually a small dairy farm, the =
main pasture of which was lined with over 100 Studebakers that had been =
hauled in from all over the countryside and carefully placed side by =
side around the perimeter, providing an endless supply of parts and =
projects. Martin was a somewhat laconic fellow who carpeted his cars =
with an array of carpet "chucks" gleaned from a local flooring company. =
He also was the first in our group of carpoolers to drive his own car to =
school. Some wild rides down narrow curving residential streets are =
emblazoned in my memory. One striking characteristic of the cars was the =
overdrives, activated by a little toggle switch always placed =
inconspicuously under the dash. Another was their propensity for burning =
oil, which meant that the dipstick became a familiar friend. Which leads =
me to the point. Whether a result of unintentional poor' design or =
intentional daily abuse, cans of STP were always kept in the trunks of =
the cars, along with quarts of inexpensive motor oil, giving true =
meaning to the term, "Studebaker Tested Products"!
STeve P. ----- Original Message -----=20
From: EDWARD BARNARD=20
To: ehusmann53@yahoo.com ; dkettler@tcbi.com=20
Cc: FOT=20
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
Lister's: Thank you to all that answered my question about =
STP. A call to their H.Q. public relations office this morning has =
revealed what we should assume is the truth. The STP does stand for =
Scientifically Treated Petroleum. The Wiki reference to it standing for =
Studebaker Tested Products is in fact true. The company did tie their =
name to the product for a short time until Andy G. took over. But, the =
Wiki reference to King Richard no longer being a spokeperson for the =
company is false. According to the P.R. department, they have the =
longest commercial endorse in history.=20
Thanks again to the list!
-Ed-
--- On Tue, 9/30/08, David Kettler <dkettler@tcbi.com> =
wrote:
From: David Kettler <dkettler@tcbi.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-LBC group question
To: ehusmann53@yahoo.com
Cc: "FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>, edwardbarnard@prodigy.net
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 9:52 PM
I recall when I was a kid collecting STP stickers at gas stations.
I always understood it to be Scientifically Tested Products.
Dave Kettler
At Tuesday, 30 September 2008, Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53@yahoo.com>=20
wrote:
>Ed:
>=20
>From STP's web page: STP =3D Scientifically Treated Petroleum--- On=20
Tue, 9/30/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net> wrote:
>From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net>Subject: [Fot] Non-
LBC group questionTo: "FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>Date: Tuesday,
September=20
30, 2008, 11:06 AM
>
>Lister's: I'm writing a magazine article about Indy roadsters
(Kurtis',
Novi', etc) and am examining the Studebaker/Packard powered cars.
In 1963 Studebaker purchased from three gentlemen a little known=20
company named Chemical Compounds, which had an oil additive product=20
they were selling from the trunks of their cars. Studebaker gave=20
Andy Granatelli, then head engineer and chief test driver for Studebaker =
the position of CEO of the newly acquired company which he then renamed=20
STP. Now my question...does anyone know for certain the meaning of=20
STP? I am getting mixed answers from The Racing History Group. Most=20
say it stands for Specially Treated Petroleum, while a few are saying=20
it stands for Studebaker Test Products. Do any of the FOTers know=20
the "true" side of the story?=20
>BTW, later I will relate this past Saturday spent with three great=20
guys, Johnny Rutherford, Lloyd Ruby, and Jim McElreath, at a car=20
show we had.=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The stude V8 oil burning was primarily =
due to valve=20
guide</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>seals that hardened and =
disintegrated. The=20
6's due to </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>slop in the valve guile area and too =
much oil in=20
the lifter valleys.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>engine kits for the 6's came with a =
strip of spring=20
steel to restrict</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>oil to that lifter valley. Stude =
V8's=20
consistently put way too much</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>oil to the rockers, unlike most of our =
tractor=20
motors.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The overdrives were pretty darn =
nice. my '62=20
stude pickup</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>has a small V8 and overdrive and works =
very=20
well. hope to</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>someday have occasion to tow a TR race =
car to=20
a race.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Studes were noted for strong =
engines, =20
rust, rattles,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and oil leaks - makes them =
a very large=20
Triumph with a </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>good electrical system!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>art de armond</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dbudscars@comcast.net =
href=3D"mailto:budscars@comcast.net";>RACER BUD</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dspreiss@verizon.net=20
href=3D"mailto:spreiss@verizon.net";>Steven Preiss</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dedwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
=
href=3D"mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net";>edwardbarnard@prodigy.net</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, =
2008 8:12=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC =
group=20
question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One of my favorite cars for Style was =
the (I=20
think 53 stude..Golden Hawk?..no fins...when the fins were added..they =
were=20
literaly 'attached')..i saw a NASCAR Hawk in a movie theater lobby =
promoting a=20
movie which I cannot remember(mid -late 1950s)...That was one of the =
cars that=20
added to the racing bug</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Racer Bud</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dspreiss@verizon.net =
href=3D"mailto:spreiss@verizon.net";>Steven=20
Preiss</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dedwardbarnard@prodigy.net=20
=
href=3D"mailto:edwardbarnard@prodigy.net";>edwardbarnard@prodigy.net</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, =
2008 2:04=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC =
group=20
question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One of my neighborhood friends =
growing up was a=20
Studebaker nut, a passion (or perhaps a genetic trait) no doubt =
inherited=20
from his dad. They would work into the night in the carport on one =
or=20
another of their cars, droplights providing a weary glow. The=20
cars, which as I recall ranged from a 1950 convertible, painted =
red=20
with a white top, to a sleek Silver Hawk with a 289 and glass packs, =
always=20
seemed exotic in an atypical American sort of way. A buddy =
of=20
theirs had what they referred to as 'the Studebaker farm', =
which was=20
actually a small dairy farm<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>, =
the main=20
pasture of which was lined with over 100 Studebakers that had been =
hauled in=20
from all over the countryside and carefully placed side by side =
around the=20
perimeter, providing an endless supply of parts and projects. =
Martin=20
was a somewhat laconic fellow who carpeted his cars with an array of =
carpet=20
"chucks" gleaned from a local flooring company. He also was the =
first in our=20
group of carpoolers to drive his own car to school. Some wild rides =
down=20
narrow curving residential streets are emblazoned in my memory. One =
striking=20
characteristic of the cars was the overdrives, activated by a little =
toggle=20
switch always placed inconspicuously under the dash. Another =
was their=20
propensity for burning oil, which meant that the dipstick became a =
familiar=20
friend. Which leads me to the point. Whether a result of=20
unintentional poor' design or intentional daily abuse, cans of STP =
were=20
always kept in the trunks of the cars, along with quarts of =
inexpensive=20
motor oil, giving true meaning to the term, "Studebaker Tested=20
Products"!</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>STeve P. ----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dehusmann53@yahoo.com=20
href=3D"mailto:ehusmann53@yahoo.com";>ehusmann53@yahoo.com</A> ; <A =
title=3Ddkettler@tcbi.com=20
href=3D"mailto:dkettler@tcbi.com";>dkettler@tcbi.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net=20
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>FOT</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 02, =
2008 3:44=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Non-LBC =
group=20
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<DIV>Lister's: Thank you to all that answered my question =
about STP.=20
A call to their H.Q. public relations office this morning =
has=20
revealed what we should assume is the truth. The STP does =
stand for=20
Scientifically Treated Petroleum. The Wiki reference to it =
standing=20
for Studebaker Tested Products is in fact true. The company =
did tie=20
their name to the product for a short time until Andy G. =
took over.=20
But, the Wiki reference to King Richard no longer being a=20
spokeperson for the company is false. According to the P.R.=20
department, they have the longest commercial endorse in =
history.=20
</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks again to the list!</DIV>
<DIV> -Ed-<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 9/30/08, David=20
<SPAN>Kettler</SPAN> <I><dkettler@tcbi.com></I></B>=20
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:=20
David Kettler <dkettler@tcbi.com><BR>Subject: Re: =
[Fot]=20
Non-LBC group question<BR>To: ehusmann53@yahoo.com<BR>Cc: =
"FOT"=20
<fot@autox.team.net>, =
edwardbarnard@prodigy.net<BR>Date:=20
Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 9:52 PM<BR><BR><PRE>I recall =
when I was a kid collecting STP stickers at gas stations.
I always understood it to be Scientifically Tested Products.
Dave Kettler
At Tuesday, 30 September 2008, Ernest Husmann =
<ehusmann53@yahoo.com>=20
wrote:
>Ed:
>
>From STP's web page: STP =3D Scientifically Treated Petroleum--- On=20
Tue, 9/30/08, EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net> wrote:
>From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard@prodigy.net>Subject: [Fot] =
Non-
LBC group questionTo: "FOT" <fot@autox.team.net>Date: Tuesday,
September=20
30, 2008, 11:06 AM
>
>Lister's: I'm writing a magazine article about Indy roadsters
(Kurtis',
Novi', etc) and am examining the Studebaker/Packard powered cars.
In 1963 Studebaker purchased from three gentlemen a little known=20
company named Chemical Compounds, which had an oil additive product=20
they were selling from the trunks of their cars. Studebaker gave=20
Andy Granatelli, then head engineer and chief test driver for =
Studebaker=20
the position of CEO of the newly acquired company which he =
then renamed=20
STP. Now my question...does anyone know for certain the meaning of=20
STP? I am getting mixed answers from The Racing History Group. Most =
say it stands for Specially Treated Petroleum, while a few are saying=20
it stands for Studebaker Test Products. Do any of the FOTers know=20
the "true" side of the story?=20
>BTW, later I will relate this past Saturday spent with three =
great=20
guys, Johnny Rutherford, Lloyd Ruby, and Jim McElreath, at a car=20
show we had.=20
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