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Re: [Fot] OT- F1 at Spa online petition

To: "'Joe Curry'" <spitlist@cox.net>,
Subject: Re: [Fot] OT- F1 at Spa online petition
From: "jim hearn" <jimhearn1@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:02:41 -0700
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On the whole, when there are so many occasions that drivers can get off
course and gain advantage, it changes the entire dynamics.  Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Joe Curry
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:09 AM
To: 'Bill Babcock'
Cc: fot@autox.Team.Net; fubog1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] OT- F1 at Spa online petition
 
I think that the kerbs (curbs) should be made more penal in those areas
because they are supposed to be there to keep the cars within the
confines of the track.  If they raised the level of the kerbs, people
would not be so aggressive in trying to pass knowing that if they don't
pull it off, they will lose their suspension.
 
Joe
 
  _____  

From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:58 AM
To: Bill Babcock
Cc: fot@autox.Team.Net; fubog1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] OT- F1 at Spa online petition
 
Incidentally, I don't think Kimi was wrong to shove Hamilton off the
track in the chicane either. In a competition at that level you are not
owed racing room, you have to take it. If Alonso had been in Kimi's
shoes Hamilton would have lost his right front wheel.  
 
On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:50 AM, Bill Babcock wrote:
 
Great race, torturous ending. I also consider Hamilton's moves to be
perfectly proper.
 
I AM a Kimi fan, he's a great driver, I was cheering him on while he
passed Hamilton at first and then pulled out a lead,  and I was in agony
when he first lost the lead and then hit the wall. But Hamilton's pass
was squeaky clean. I can't see how the FIA could even countenance a
penalty.  It was spectacular driving, well within the cut and thrust of
competition and in full compliance with the rules of surrendering a gain
made off track. I believe the FIA has added an element of
over-regulation and fundamental unfairness to the entire F1 scene. I
don't care if Max Mosely dresses up like Eva Braun and screws goats, but
his leadership of the FIA has damaged the sport by moving victory from
the driver's seat to the steward's fat ass. For that I'd support giving
him the boot. 
 
On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:13 AM, fubog1@aol.com wrote:
 
Well certainly there are those who hold that opinion, not least of all 
the FIA... but... the facts remain that he DID give up the position to 
Kimi, I don't think there is a specified distance for the lead, and 
this was confirmed with both the team & race officials at the time.
I watched the race, and the replay of the last 3 laps at least a dozen 
times, and I can't see how he put Kimi out. Also consider the dry tires 
& wet track conditions.
Personaly I thought that it was a fine example of driving since he was 
well alongside Kimi when he went off; the alternative being that he 
would surely have taken both of them out of the race, had he not gone 
off course.
I also understand that there are some who just don't favor 
Hamilton/McClaren, evidenced by some of the politics and "soap opera" 
issues of late...
I respect your opinion
Thank you!
Glen

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Curry <spitlist@cox.net>
To: fubog1@aol.com; fot@autox.Team.Net
Sent: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:47 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] OT-  F1 at Spa online petition

I will NOT sign that petition.  The way I saw the situation, while 
Hamilton
did back off a bit and allow Kimi to get back in front, he did not back 
off
enough to give up his inertia and maintained it long enough to 
immediately
get back in the lead.

In my humble opinion, the penalty is just.  His Rookie actions caused 
Kimi
to crash out and that does nothing to erase that outcome.

I would have black flagged Hamilton and not even allowed him to claim 
3rd
place.  That would have been justice in my opinion.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of fubog1@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:42 AM
To: fot@autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Fot] OT- F1 at Spa online petition

I realize that a lot of you were busy last Sunday, and probably didn't
catch the Spa race, and on-line petitions have questionable value, but
this is one that may be worthy...
Last night there were approx 15,000, this morning nearly 50,000. There
are a lot of pissed off F1 fans!

http://www.petitiononline.com/belgp08/petition.html

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>On the whole, when there are so =
many
occasions <span class=3DGramE>that drivers</span> can get off course and =
gain
advantage, it changes the entire dynamics. <span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;</span>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
fot-bounces@autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Joe Curry<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September =
11, 2008
9:09 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Bill Babcock'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> fot@autox.Team.Net;
fubog1@aol.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] OT- F1 =
at Spa
online petition</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think that the =
kerbs
(curbs) should be made more penal in those areas because they are =
supposed to
be there to keep the cars within the confines of the track.&nbsp; If =
they
raised the level of the kerbs, people would not be so aggressive in =
trying to
pass knowing that if they don&#8217;t pull it off, they will lose their
suspension.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Joe<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></font></p>

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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa=
n></font></b><font
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fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bill Babcock<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September =
11, 2008
8:58 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Bill Babcock<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> fot@autox.Team.Net;
fubog1@aol.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] OT- F1 =
at Spa
online petition</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Incidentally, I don't think Kimi was wrong to =
shove
Hamilton off the track in the chicane either. In a competition at that =
level
you are not owed racing room, you have to take it. If Alonso had been in =
Kimi's
shoes Hamilton would have lost his right front wheel. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:50 AM, Bill Babcock =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Great race, torturous ending. I also consider
Hamilton's moves to be perfectly proper.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I AM a Kimi fan, he's a great driver, I was =
cheering
him on while he passed&nbsp;Hamilton&nbsp;at first and then pulled out a =
lead,
&nbsp;and I was in agony when he first lost the lead and then hit the =
wall. But
Hamilton's pass was&nbsp;squeaky&nbsp;clean. I can't see how the FIA =
could even
countenance a penalty. &nbsp;It was&nbsp;spectacular&nbsp;driving, well =
within
the cut and thrust of competition and in full compliance with the rules =
of
surrendering&nbsp;a gain made off track. I believe the FIA has added an =
element
of over-regulation and fundamental unfairness to the entire F1 scene. I =
don't
care if Max Mosely dresses up like Eva Braun and screws goats, but his
leadership of the FIA has damaged the sport by moving victory from the =
driver's
seat to the steward's fat ass. For that I'd support giving him the =
boot.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On Sep 11, 2008, at 8:13 AM, <a
href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com";>fubog1@aol.com</a> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Well certainly there are those who hold that =
opinion,
not least of all <br>
the FIA... but... the facts remain that he DID give up the position to =
<br>
Kimi, I don't think there is a specified distance for the lead, and <br>
this was confirmed with both the team &amp; race officials at the =
time.<br>
I watched the race, and the replay of the last 3 laps at least a dozen =
<br>
times, and I can't see how he put Kimi out. Also consider the dry tires =
<br>
&amp; wet track conditions.<br>
Personaly I thought that it was a fine example of driving since he was =
<br>
well alongside Kimi when he went off; the alternative being that he <br>
would surely have taken both of them out of the race, had he not gone =
<br>
off course.<br>
I also understand that there are some who just don't favor <br>
Hamilton/McClaren, evidenced by some of the politics and &quot;soap =
opera&quot;
<br>
issues of late...<br>
I respect your opinion<br>
Thank you!<br>
Glen<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Joe Curry &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:spitlist@cox.net";>spitlist@cox.net</a>&gt;<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com";>fubog1@aol.com</a>; <a
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.Team.Net";>fot@autox.Team.Net</a><br>
Sent: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:47 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] OT- &nbsp;F1 at Spa online petition<br>
<br>
I will NOT sign that petition. &nbsp;The way I saw the situation, while =
<br>
Hamilton<br>
did back off a bit and allow Kimi to get back in front, he did not back =
<br>
off<br>
enough to give up his inertia and maintained it long enough to <br>
immediately<br>
get back in the lead.<br>
<br>
In my humble opinion, the penalty is just. &nbsp;His Rookie actions =
caused <br>
Kimi<br>
to crash out and that does nothing to erase that outcome.<br>
<br>
I would have black flagged Hamilton and not even allowed him to claim =
<br>
3rd<br>
place. &nbsp;That would have been justice in my opinion.<br>
<br>
Joe C.<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a =
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>=

[<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.=
net</a>]
On<br>
Behalf Of <a href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com";>fubog1@aol.com</a><br>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:42 AM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.Team.Net";>fot@autox.Team.Net</a><br>
Subject: [Fot] OT- F1 at Spa online petition<br>
<br>
I realize that a lot of you were busy last Sunday, and probably =
didn't<br>
catch the Spa race, and on-line petitions have questionable value, =
but<br>
this is one that may be worthy...<br>
Last night there were approx 15,000, this morning nearly 50,000. =
There<br>
are a lot of pissed off F1 fans!<br>
<br>
<a =
href=3D"http://www.petitiononline.com/belgp08/petition.html";>http://www.p=
etitiononline.com/belgp08/petition.html</a><br>
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