This extended conversation has failed to consider that the whole F1
environment is several orders of magnitude above what we are all used to
dealing with. What seems to be a lot of money to us, is chump change to the
teams and individuals in that end of the sport.
The top teams are all spending sums that exceed many country's GNP and think
nothing of it. For a fine to be meaningful in that environment, it has to
be that high.
What I find absurd is the constant redefinition of the rules that are
supposed to cut costs but end up making the sport more expensive because
every couple of years the teams have to start over with totally new designs
for critical components.
It is truly a rich man's sport.
Joe C.
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From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net@autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill
Babcock
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:42 PM
To: David W. Riddle
Cc: wheeltowheel@wheeltowheel.com; fot@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] And we complain...
The FIA is one of the most painfully weird organizations on the
planet. The whole FISA/FIA takeover was sleazy beyond belief and all
the people involved are the strangest cutthroats I've ever heard of.
In any real world we'd vote them off the planet. Mosley doing sadistic
sex acts dressed as a Nazi is the tip of the iceberg. He ignored his
responsibility to keep the sport rational when he assessed McLaren
that absurd fine. How can we take F1 seriously as a competitive sport
when 100 million bucks is a fine. That's not a fine, that's a small
country's GNP.
The philosophy behind the license fee is despicable--the better you do
the more it costs you? The more valuable you are to the sport the more
it costs for you to participate. Who dreamed this up--the last
remaining commie? The sooner they kick Mosely's ass out the better.
Goodbye Max, don't let the door hit you in the butt.
On Jun 19, 2008, at 7:39 PM, David W. Riddle wrote:
> Granted. But do the math.
>
> $15,500 + $3,100 per point to hold a Superlicense is beyond excessive
> even given the unreal money in F1. The cost for the license should
> have some basis in reality.
>
> Hamilton last year earned 109 points last year. That means his
> Superlicense this year cost him $353,400! Kovalainen's license cost
> him $108,500. So if McLaren is picking up the tab for the drivers
> Ron Dennis had to shell out over $500,000 for two race drivers and
> three test drivers (if not more).
>
> Of course Max "I'm not a Nazi" Mosley is also complaining about
> wanting budget reductions put in place so that the sport does not
> cost so much for the teams.
>
> Other drivers license costs.
>
> Kubica: $136,400
> Rosberg: $77,500
> Truilli: $40,300
> Sutil: $18,600
> Nakajima: $15,500
>
> At 06:54 PM 6/19/2008, Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote:
>> Yeah - but they have a little more help ($) to offset the cost than
>> we do!
>>
>> Fred Hodgson
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