Greg,
Didn't see your post earlier regarding the VARA rules.? The VARA rules you are
quoting are for what we call "group 1" cars, for competitors who wish to
compete with nearly stock automobiles.? We have a few of those in the
organization, but most prefer to set their cars up to the regular rule book.?
Please look more closely at the rulebook and you will see what I mean.
I disagree with your overall comments regarding your ability to be
competitive.? Kreger built his TR6 for a reason, and can run it where he is
from (Seattle area).? My car is built to VARA rules because that is where I'm
from.? Funny thing is, there is really nothing fancy about mine, just changes
to make it more reliable so that I can increase my seat time.? 12.5:1
compression, 0.055 over bore,?steel rods, massaged stock crankshaft (not
stroked - not allowed by our rules)? 30 year old camshaft design (Kastner A-10)
and roller rockers.? I do have an aluminum flywheel (built by Lee Mueller) and
upraded stock clutch.? All steel body except for trunk lid and hood, upraded
springs and shocks, welded diff, and fancy transmission (rules state that you
must use the stock case and have the same number of forward gears, so I took a
page from the Sprites and built a dog box using Hewland pieces and the Spitfire
case.? I think Taylor sells these now).? Obviously, I also run Webers, but Kas
thinks it would perform better with twin SUs.? Maybe I'll try that sometime.?
My sucess has been from the ability to keep it together and maximize handling.?
But the biggest improvement by far is from seat time.? Everyone keeps coming up
and asking what I've done to the car to make it so fast.? I keep saying that
I've just finally learned to drive it.?
Also Greg, I distinctly remember that you were extremely competitive at Miller
and a real thorn in my side.? Please don't take that as a negative comment,
because I really enjoyed racing and hanging out with you.? I think the reason
that was the case is because you've focussed on driving the car rather than
maximizing your straightaway performance.? I strongly believe that you would be
very competitive at any VARA race with the car as prepped for Miller.? I also
stronlgy encourage you to refrain from further prep because, honestly, I don't
want the hassle of dealing with you with a locked diff and good brakes!
Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Files <keithfiles@btinternet.com>
To: 'Greg "Lunker" Hilyer' <lunkercars@earthlink.net>; 'FOT'
<fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:05 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP CHALLENGE - WATKINS GLEN 2008
Hi Greg,
Happy to try to address the question of what it did leave the factory with
in terms of body, chassis and transmission.
The inner body tub has to be original in all respects i.e. all inner panels
and bulkheads are standard (although there are some who replace the mild
steel with aluminium but I do not) with a number of outer panels in glass
fibre (light weight but not by much as the overall reduction in weight is
minor 930 kgs as opposed to a street car of 1024 kgs.).
No changes to the original silhouette are allowed. The use of glass fibre is
preferred as the panels are easy and cheap to replace.
The chassis is standard Triumph with all original suspension pick-up points
(The rear trailing arms are standard Triumph as is all of the front
suspension bar the springs and shocks).
The engine block and head must be original and must be in their original
location.
The gearbox must use a Triumph casing; we use the Stag one as it is stronger
but not lighter.
The differential case is standard Triumph.
Hope this helps.
Cheers, Keith.
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+keithfiles=btinternet.com@autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+keithfiles=btinternet.com@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
Sent: 09 October 2007 05:13
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP CHALLENGE - WATKINS GLEN 2008
Begin forwarded message:
> From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" <lunkercars@earthlink.net>
> Date: October 8, 2007 10:11:14 PM MDT
> To: FOT <fot@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP CHALLENGE - WATKINS GLEN 2008
>
>>
>> FoTers,
>> I think Henry Morrison will be as surprised as I, to find myself
>> basically siding with him, as we've have had this discussion
>> several times before. However... Personally, I encourage expanded
>> eligibility for the sake of including later cars for bigger grids.
>> A 1980 Spit for example, has no specific advantage to a earlier
>> car as long as it is prepped to a specific GCR.
>> Regarding your car Keith, and with no disrespect as for it's high
>> level of preparation, wouldn't it be more concise to list what it
>> DID leave the factory with? To me " All original steel panels
>> except for GRP hood, trunk lid, drivers door, all 4 wings and
>> hardtop " is like saying " all original car except for body,
>> frame, engine and transmission". I don't even know what GRP is
>> [glass, resin, something?] but it sounds light to me! As for the
>> rest, over here, "trick", pertaining to racing, means state of
>> the art [which your car sounds to be] - not
>> "an act or scheme to out whit or deceive" {Webster}
>> I guess I don't really understand what the Kastner Cup is based on
>> - Someone please enlighten me. Again, no disrespect aimed at
>> anyone, but when I went to Miller for the K.C. this year, I
>> actually removed my drilled rotors [of dubious benefit] so there
>> would be no question as to "The Spirit of Vintage". My set of dual
>> Webers were and are on the shelf for the same reason. I have a
>> welder but won't use it to "improve" my diff for the same reason.
>> Most of the cars I raced with in Utah were from VARA who's rules
>> read:
>>
>> Engine:
>>
>> Same type/size as year of manufacture (0.060" overbore limit).
>> Period correct roller rocker arms are ok. No stud girdles.
>> Compression Ratio is limited to 10 to 1 maximum unless it can be
>> documented as higher from the factory as delivered for street
>> use. Block and heads must be OEM and period correct. No aluminum
>> flywheels. No dry sump oiling systems unless originally sold as
>> such. Oil coolers and radiators are free but must not conflict
>> with stock type appearance of body.
>>
>>
>> Carburetion:
>> Stock carb size and make per model series (same mfg & venturi
>> count). No Weber DCOE sidedrafts where not originally equipped.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---------------------
>>
>> Sorry guys, but I didn't see any cars in compliance with the
>> exception of mine. And Nostalgia [host club] is even more strict
>> [?] than VARA. The Kastner Cup race winning TR6 was [as graciously
>> stated be the owner/driver] prepared to within an inch of it's
>> life to SCCA specs. It also took a overall 1st in our run group
>> [small bore - B]. If it wasn't for our "special" K.C. race, I
>> doubt if Nostalgia would have allowed the car in a vintage event -
>> not really fair to the others.
>> Based on the recent discussion, I don't see how my Vintage prepped
>> TR4 could possibly be competitive. Looks like my plans to attend
>> Watkings Glen have changed - unless someone can promise rain!
>> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
>> TR4 #314
>> Albuquerque N.M.
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