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lube torqued fasteners?

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Subject: lube torqued fasteners?
From: "Jack W. Drews" <vinttr4@geneseo.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:36:25 -0600
I hate to get us off the track of fun discussions with a technical 
question, but these can be fun, too.

Should we lube threaded fasteners on our 40 year old engines? If so, what 
torque readings should we use?

ARP, for example, says that moly lube should be applied to their fasteners 
to get accurate and consistent torque readings. And, when torquing Carillo 
rods with ARP fasteners, I adhere to their instructions to the letter. But 
that's a case where the folks at ARP designed the fastener and determined 
the torque values.

My question is in regard to fasteners and torque values that were 
determined 40 years ago. My understanding is that at that time, all torques 
were specified "dry". This was true at the heavy equipment company where I 
worked until a few years ago, where exhaustive research was done on 
fasteners and torque. Believe me, they torqued a bazillion fasteners on 
their product and they were all done dry. Engineers knew that tightening a 
lubed fastener to the torques specified as dry would result in a higher 
tension in the bolt. Furthermore, good practice on setting a torque value 
is to stress the bolt to 80% of its yield. At the same time, lubing a 
fastener will cause an increase of 20 to 30% in the tension imparted to the 
fastener for the same torque reading, so lubing a fastener for which the 
torque had been specified dry could easily cause the bolt to be stretched 
beyond yield.

Now the practical application of this in our engines can be thought of in 
terms of head studs and nuts. Stock head nut torque is specified as 90 ft 
lb.. I believe that spec assumed a dry joint. If we lube the nut, we'll put 
20% more tension in the stud at that torque. And we all know that stock 
head studs (not ARP) do stretch and the threads distort when overtorqued.

Therefore -- what should we do -- torque dry or lubed?

uncle jack 

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