Ted,
Good point. The way the local vintage group works with that is that cars
are assessed points off for areas where they exceed the proper prep level in
the rules. Mainly used for the season trophy, but something like this
system could be used for handicapping cars in the FOT event.
One thought about the objection to the 1972 cutoff. I thought that the
event would be limited to Triumphs or be a Triumph-MG or Triumph-British
challenge.
With the exception of the appearance of the TR7/TR8 line, all Triumphs (and
MGs for that matter) lost performance and gained weight in the mid-late
'70s. The Spitfire did get a 200cc engine size bump... good on the street
but not conducive to a high revving racer.
If the goal is to get enough numbers to make this a viable event, should we
exclude interested parties in later Spitfires or TR6s? And totally exclude
the wedge crowd?
Just my .02
Cheers,
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-fot@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-fot@autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ted Schumacher
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 12:20 PM
To: Susan Hensley; fot@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: Survey Still Ongoing
susan, your analogy only works if the cars are really kept as '72 and back
legal
race cars. problem is, that just doesn't happen. i know what we and other
vendors
sell to the vintage group. vintage cars right now are probably equal to
mid-'80's
scca national level cars. when we first started to service vintage races ,
car prep
was at a '72 scca national level. the "higher" level of preparation is
already in
place. if you forced everyone to conform to "what was allowable" at a '72
time
period, there would probably be no cars on the grid. ted
Susan Hensley wrote:
> Hi Frank!
>
> I think the issue with the post-'72 cars is that they were starting to
develop
> more modern technology and people (and companies sponsoring race teams)
were
> starting to have more disposable income to put into them -- read "higher
level
> of preparation." They have more power and handle better, so they were no
> competition for us "lesser-developed" cars. I think that is why they are
> considered separately from the pre-'72's. I know Corinthians (the vintage
group
> at Texas World Speedway in College Station) allows cars up to 1974, but
they
> must comply (backdate) to the 1972 GCR car preparation guide they use.
>
> Anyone correct me if I am wrong!
>
> Keep Triumphing,
> Susan :)
>
> Frank Axelrod wrote:
>
> > Just a note regarding having no post '72 cars at an FOT event.
> >
> > I'm not sure what to make of this. Yeah yeah I'm new to FOT and
certainly
> > do not have the experience of some of my more experienced racing
compatriots
> > but lets not forget that there are a load of TR's and other British
marques
> > still in the SCCA.
> >
> > I'm lost when it comes to the mentality that only pre '72 cars are
vintage.
> > This has been frozen in time since the early eighties when some of these
> > cars where less than 10 years old. My car is nearing thirty years old
and
> > because it doesn't have steel fenders its not vintage. Whats with that?
> >
> > Time is fluid and keeps moving for SOME of us....wouldn't that mean that
the
> > classification for vintage should also be fluid. Or is that 1972 date
> > frozen for all to stubborn to change. The so called purists have to
> > remember that as their museum pieces begin to disappear your going to
need
> > new blood...and that's going to come from the scca. We as a group should
> > encourage not discourage those so called Frankenwhatevers. Hell that's
> > where those pre '72 cars came from in the first place.
> >
> > Our goal should be to preserve the marques involvement in racing in all
> > era's and that includes current.
> >
> > OK now I'm climbing off my soapbox
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <TRBILBO@aol.com>
> > To: <FOT@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 12:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: Survey Still Ongoing
> >
> > > OK...here's my two bits too...
> > >
> > > << Amici -
> > >
> > > > 1. Would you participate in nation roadrace (including post 72
> > setup
> > > > cars)?
> > > I would make every effort to participate....but definitely would
prefer NO
> > > post 72 cars. Indeed our club (VARA) only this past year created a
clas
> > > specifically for 67 to 72 cars of their own. Previously only 1967 and
> > prior
> > > was allowed....and we liked it that way. If I wanted to race with
overhead
> > > cam Datsuns I would be racing SCCA.
> > >
> > > > 2. Would you particpate in national autox ?
> > > No. Ran SOLO II for 8 years. It it tough on a vintage car set up for
road
> > > race. I gave up SOLO II for Vintage and don't really miss it. (No
offense
> > to
> > > those who love it.....just my preference has changed with age)
> > >
> > > > 3. Triumph only or British Marques only?
> > > My vote's for Triumph-MG challenge race and Jag/Lotus -Healey shoot
out
> > type
> > > events .....and Moss Motors already sponsors a TR-MG challenge feature
> > race
> > > on the west coast at Buttonwillow ecah year. Last year this was almost
a
> > 50
> > > car field .... all pre-67 with maybe 4 or 5 'exhibition class post 67
> > types.
> > >
> > > > 4. Volunteer time
> > > We wouldn't need much of this at a west coast venue if sponsored by
VARA,
> > > SCCA or HSR or some combination. Most SoCal races are flagged semi
> > > professionally by the LB-MG club service organization (and they do a
> > great
> > > job).
> > >
> > > Would love to get HSR/SCCA/VARA to do an all British weekend at
Monterey
> > ala
> > > the "pre-Historics" (usually one or two weekends before the "Monterey
> > > Historics", and get Moss to move their sponsorship for the MG-TR
challenge
> > > race just this once...... and if everyone is fiscally happy....every
year
> > > thereafter.
> > >
> > > From what I've heard in private email the E Ticket Triumph Team would
> > likely
> > > bring 10 or 11 TR's and the VARA SPitfire Squadron is about 14 or 15
> > > strong.... I've no doubt we could bring 22-25 cars to an event of that
> > > caliber....and that's not counting the independent TR's not on the
> > "squadron"
> > > or a part of E Ticket Triumphs.
> > >
> > > Like I started to say....just my two bits.
> > >
> > > Best of the Season the FOT'ers and Happiest of Holidays
> > >
> > > Bill and Joanne Burroughs
> > > #195 1965 TR4A IRS
> > > E Ticket Triumphs
>
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