I am with you Nathan,
The new Z is everything it should be given today's market and car prices.
Ron Edgar
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net
> [mailto:owner-datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Nathan
> Ruffcorn
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:41 PM
> To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Z Concept - OT (I like it...)
>
>
> Hey all-
> Got home from work today and had almost 50 roadster-list messages!
> Obviously something has gotten things stirred up! I'm apparently going
> against the grain on this forum but I actually really like the
> looks of the
> new Z. I do agree with most of you that it could have a little more retro
> flare. I feel that if they had kept a retro perspective with the
> headlights
> and tailights, the whole attitude of the car would change.
> Lets face it. Nissan is a business and made this car to turn a profit and
> build brand loyalty. In doing so, they feel they needed to
> please a diverse
> audience to create acceptable sales numbers. On one side they have the
> loyal Z car lovers that live and breathe "Z"--on the other, they have the
> rest of the world who needs definite motivation to buy into the
> new design.
> Nissan is stradling the fence, not completely satisfying either side, but
> hopefully convincing enough people in the middle to make it worthwhile for
> Nissan. I actually hope they succeed as this could possibly open the door
> to future retro projects (like a roadster! <g>)
>
> Simply my opinion (among many)
> Nathan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marc Sayer <marcsayer@home.com>
> To: <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 12:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Z Concept - OT
>
>
> > STAN CHERNOFF wrote:
> > >
> > > A couple of points.
> > >
> > > First, the new Z car is not a "Concept" since it is close to the final
> > > production version.
> > >
> > > Second, Nissan said that the price would be under $30K.
> > >
> > > These comments were made by the big "boss", Carlos G., in an interview
> by
> > > CNBC at the Detroit car show yesterday. There is a car that was
> displayed
> > > to the employees at Nissan headquarters yesterday.
> > >
> > > Stan
> >
> > Well Mr. G's double talk notwithstanding, they are still
> choosing to call
> it a
> > concept car, even on their own websites so one can hope...
> >
> > But I'm betting you're right Stan and this is going to be close to a
> production
> > car (unless they get the same kind of universally bad response they got
> with the
> > last Z concept, in which case they may delay release and try a new
> design). For
> > my money this thing is Ugly, really UGLY. And I do not see them actually
> selling
> > this car for under $30k, maybe a false "list" price but real sales, nah.
> And
> > even if they do, think of the costs for maintenance this car is
> going ring
> up.
> > 20" 35 series tires, those aren't going to sell for $100 a piece. I just
> see
> > this as more of the same bad marketing as the last 300 but without the
> styling
> > of that car. The thing that made the 240 a hit was it was a cheap sports
> GT and
> > it good all around compromise car. No mega tech or leading edge anything
> on the
> > 240, just a good combo of the same old stuff car makers had
> been doing for
> > years.
> >
> > The current Silvia is much much better looking and has great
> performance.
> It
> > could be sold here for under $25k, probably under $20k! And it is a cool
> car
> > with style and performance. It is much closer to the Z than any of their
> > concepts.
> >
> > Nissan says retro is dead, yeah right, someone should tell the
> rest of the
> world
> > that. What a bunch of lame, confused, fools.
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