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Re: Elan Rear A-Arms

To: elan66@ccia.com, "A. Sta. Maria" <abstamaria@sysciplaw.com>
Subject: Re: Elan Rear A-Arms
From: rebean@CCGATE.HAC.COM
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 06:30:30 PST8
     
Hi Andres,

Back from out of town and gradually getting to all my mail....

I'm not sure but I strongly suspect that 26Rs had adjustable A-arms which were 
basically stock parts modified to accept rod ends on the inside only.  The 
primary purpose would not be to clear anything though.  It would be to adjust 
camber and toe (in combination with an adjustable, spherical bearing at the top 
of the strut).

I agree with what Tony has told you wrt the necessity for grinding both the 
A-arms and the bodywork to clear the wheels.  It happens that a S1 1/2 slalom 
car I drove used 6" wide Minilites with stock Type 26 (not 26R) flares.  This 
was accomplished by ordering the wheels to be very specific offsets (different 
offsets front and rear but all 6" wide).  I don't have the numbers but they'd 
vary slightly anyway between individual cars.  It has to be measured, then 
optimized.

The A-arms were radiused and the inner part of the flare was ground to almost a 
knife-edge (viewed in section) without changing the shape as viewed from the 
side.  Also, the inner fiberglass splash guard was enlarged a bit in the front 
wheel wells (we were using Goodyear Blue Streaks... treaded because this was 
before slicks.... with a profile roughly equivalent to about a 40 or 45-series 
today).  All this, together with the use of small diameter springs and cut off 
spring perches allowed everything to function without interference (finally).

The 26Rs I've seen in original settings, seemed to use larger diameter tires 
than we used.... also larger at the back than the front, in some cases 
(ridiculous IMO .... I'd expect that to ruin the car's natural balance).  The 
larger tires look to be possible only due to the 26R flares, which are better 
suited than the stock S4 flares I believe you have.

Let me know how it all works out.

Rod  

Subject: Elan Rear A-Arms
Author:  "A. Sta. Maria" <abstamaria@sysciplaw.com> at CCGATE
Date:    4/24/98 7:29 PM


Hello Rod, Mike, and Ken,
     
Although my racing accident last March did not affect my rear suspension, 
since I do have to replace the frame and take my Lotus 45 (S4 Elan) apart - 
yet again - I thought I might look into adjustable rear A-arms.
     
As you may recall, I installed 26R KO hubs so I could use 6-inch 26R 
magnesium wheels.   The problem, of course, is that the outer ends of the 
rear A arms foul the inner wheel rims, and have to be ground off at a severe 
angle, cutting away a great deal of the bush and the bush housing on the 
arm.   "They have always had to do that, and they always will," said Tony 
Thomson, the 26R specialist from England.  My hubs (from Tony Thompson) have 
a narrow offset to clear the standard S4 fenders without flares, and this 
might have compounded the problem. Accordingly, I relied on grinding and 
cutting away to gain clearance.
     
This time, I thought that perhaps adjustable rear A-arms with rod ends and 
spherical bearings might clear the wheels.  Tony Thompson's version is 
adjustable on the inner ends (which have rod ends).  Tony says, however, 
that "this is a Lotus and you will still have to put your grinder to use on 
the outer ends."
     
I saw an adjustable version by Lee Chapman (no relation; I asked) in 
Connecticut.  His I think has spherical bearings on the inner end and are 
adjustable on the outer end, which have rod bearings.  He says they clear 
the wheels very nicely, but his experience might be with wider offset, non 
26-R wheels.
     
Did the 26Rs indeed have adjustable rear arms?  Did they have rod and 
spherical bearings?  Which end did they adjust at?  And did they have the 
wheel clearance problems as well?
     
Any suggestions on this very specialized issue will be appreciated!
     
Best regards to all.
     
Andres
Manila
     


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