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Subject: Re: As ye plough, so shall ye r
From: rebean@CCGATE.HAC.COM
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 97 05:24:43 PST8
     
1)  L/W trivia question:  I say Dean Price.

2)  I agree with everything Steve says below.  I keep wondering how much slop 
there may be in the front suspension due to worn-out things, large rubber 
bushings in the system, chassis flex, etc.  If things are yeilding under load, 
the effects can be hard to pinpoint.

Rod Bean

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Subject: As ye plough, so shall ye r
Author:  Erik Berg <Erik.Berg@trw.com> at CCGATE
Date:    2/25/97 4:54 AM


 Reply to:     As ye plough, so shall ye reap
     
[ Lotus West trivia question.... who was responsible for the original L/W = 
tech tip, 
[ which was published many years ago, under the above subject / title??? 
     
Howdy, Steve, Marty, All.
     
Marty, I've forwarded this message to Chapman-era as well, because I = 
suspect 
that they will find this question thoroughly interesting!
     
Marty Wilson wrote:
>>I am after some feedback on setting up the front suspension of my = 
Amaroo
>>Clubman.
     
Steve White replied:
>The original Lotus used the front antisway bar for locating the top of 
>the front upright.  At some stage it was changed (around the series 3 or 
>4 ... or maybe it was a Caterham change) to an upper and lower wishbone 
>setup with a separate antisway bar.  How does the Amaroo have its front 
>suspension arranged?
     
Marty Wilson wrote:
>>I have only run it in hillclimbs so far and the "turn in" on the = 
corners
>>doesnt seem too famous, it tends to understeer. I have been advised to = 
dial
>>in more negative camber and this will cure it.
>>I will be running in a supersprint ar Amaroo in Sydney shortly so I = 
would
>>be interested in feedback on front suspension setups that work for = 
other
>>Lotus 7 replica style machines
     
Steve White replied:
>What sort of adjustments do you have available to you?  Camber, caster 
>and toe?  How much adjustment is possible?  What sort of tyres are you 
>running, what size and how old are they?  What pressures do you normally 
>run in them?  What sort of compromises are you prepared to live with? 
>.... for instance you might improve the turn-in and make the car really 
>responsive to steering input, but that might make the car really 'darty' 
>and tiring to keep in a straight line.
     
Good questions, one and all.  Particularly the bit about tire pressures!  = 
First 
step, before you assume that suspension adjustments are necessary, oughta =
     
be to simply increase the front tire pressure or decrease the rear = 
pressure a 
bit, assuming you have not already done this.....  If they are more than = 
5 psi 
different already, you may be justified to adopt more serious measures.
     
Marty, does it only push when you're trying to get it to turn in, or does = 
it push in 
steady state cornering as well?
     
If it pushes all the time, then more negative camber at the front *might* = 
be a 
wise approach, but assuming it is already set somewhat negative, you = 
would 
probably sacrifice braking.... still, that could prove worthwhile = 
overall, for tight 
courses.  Everything is a compromise as Steve pointed out.
     
You oughta first try diddling the anti-roll bar settings.  Does it have a = 
rear bar?  
If so, start by adjusting it slightly stiffer.
     
Best bet though, might be to begin by getting some tire temperature test = 
data, 
to tell you whether the camber is in the ballpark to begin with at the = 
front, and 
how the roll stiffnesses are presently set up, before you actually start = 
adjusting 
the camber or the anti-roll bar settings.
     
If it only pushes when you're trying to get it to turn in, then before = 
more radical 
measures, first consider just using less toe-in at the front.  Depending = 
on the 
course, and your driving style, you oughta be able to get away with much = 
less 
toe-in than you would use on the street.  Change it a little bit at a = 
time, tho  =3D:-O
     
Other comments?  
This oughta be an interesting thread! 
erik.berg@trw.com
     


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