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RE: Flow rate and thermal transfer

To: Bricklin <bricklin@autox.team.net>, Phil Martin <pmartin@isgtec.com>
Subject: RE: Flow rate and thermal transfer
From: "Somerville, Drew" <Somerville@kafb.aero.org>
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:29:00 -0700
Your assertion that slowing the flow of fluid through the radiator will   
increase heat transfer to the air flow is incorrect.  The principle of   
heat transfer I attempted to describe apply to any fluid whether it is a   
liquid or gas.  It is also independent of the direction of energy flow,   
i.e. whether you are heating or cooling the fluid.   Increasing fluid   
velocity increases the rate at which heat will be transferred from the   
system to the environment just as it increases the rate at which the   
fluid in the system will absorb heat from the environment.  Notice the   
equation I provided does not make a distinction as to which direction the   
heat flows.  I gather from your statements that perhaps you are   
envisioning a static case and considering the amount of energy absorbed   
by a fixed mass of fluid.  It is true that for a fixed mass or discrete   
quantity that increasing the dwell time over the hot (or cold) surface   
will increase the energy exchange to that mass of fluid.  However, that   
is not what occurs in the automotive cooling system.  There is a   
continuous flow of fluid and the heat transfer is proportional to the   
product of the temperature difference and the mass flow rate.  By   
increasing mass flow rate you increase the average temperature difference   
over the transferring surface and multiply by the velocity.  Increasing   
velocity within the limits of applicability for the equations (which I   
guarantee is the case of all automotive cooling systems) will always   
increase heat transfer regardless of the direction it is being conducted.   
 Now if I increase the surface area over which the fluid is flowing by   
installing a larger radiator or increasing the number of parallel flow   
channels in the block, and keep a constant mass flow rate the fluid   
velocity will decrease (mass flow rate is the product of flow velocity   
and flow area).   As the equation shows, you will still an increase in   
the heat transfer rate even with the lower velocity.  However that is due   
to the increased heat transfer surface area.  Increasing the flow   
velocity and hence the mass flow rate will even further increase the heat   
transfer.

All of this is easy to test.  You can decrease the velocity of airflow   
through the radiator, which will test the same principle as reducing the   
fluid flow velocity through the radiator, by simply removing your fan or   
placing an obstruction in front of it and comparing your engine   
temperature (with thermostat removed of course for obvious reasons) to   
the temperature without the alteration.  I guarantee you will see an   
increase in operating temperature.  Truckers occasionally use this very   
technique to increase diesel engine operating temperature in cold   
weather.  You will see truck radiators often covered with a cloth flap or   
even louvres in the winter time.

Andrew


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From:  Phil Martin[SMTP:pmartin@isgtec.com]
Sent:  Wednesday, August 25, 1999 3:37 PM
To:  Bricklin
Subject:  Flow rate and thermal transfer

I think that one very important factor has been ignored in this   
discussion
so far.

You want your cooling system to do _two_ things that are in some respects   
at
odds with one another:

   1) Extract heat from the engine
   2) Give off heat via the rad

It's clearly true that circulating a greater volume of coolant through   
the
engine in a given amount of time will increase the cooling capacity _IF_   
the
temperature of the coolant as it enters the engine is kept constant.   
 Note
that this breaks down for very high flow rates (where particle speeds   
reach
a few hundred miles per hour) where the kinetic energy of the coolant
particles slamming into the water jacket walls would give up energy to   
the
engine block.  But realistically, at the temperatures and flow rates   
you're
going to see in an engine, this effect can almost certainly be completely
ignored.

However, it's also clearly true that leaving a given volume of water in   
the
rad for a longer time will allow it to cool more.  So increasing the flow
rate through the rad decreases the amount of heat that can be dissipated
from a given volume of coolant for one cycle through the rad.  Of course,   
if
the universe is gravitationally closed, then after a few dozen billion
years, the big crunch is going to drive the temperature in that rad way,   
way
up.  But in that case, you'd have bigger problems. ;)

So, there are two opposing forces here: the faster the coolant flows   
through
the engine, the better able it will be to dissipate heat, and the slower   
it
flows through the rad, the cooler it will be when it re-enters the   
engine.
Depending on the slopes of these two curves, increasing flow through the
system as a whole could sometimes increase cooling effectiveness, and
sometimes decrease effectiveness.  There are a lot of inter-related
variables.

You can't generalize and say that a greater flow rate through the system
increases or decreases operating temperature, because the cooling
effectiveness depends on both the flow rate through the engine (more flow
through engine = better cooling), AND the coolant temperature as it   
enters
the engine (more flow through rad = higher engine inlet temperature =   
worse
cooling).

Which is why the damn thermostat is in there.  The thermostat regulates   
flow
through the engine to keep the temperature within a certain range so that
you don't have to figure all this stuff out for yourself.  If the   
engine's
consistently running too hot, change the thermostat and flush the system   
to
get rid of air pockets and/or whatever gunk might be blocking the cooling
passages.  If it's still running too hot, go with a cooler thermostat.   
 If
it still can't keep up, you probably need a more effective rad, or the
engine's out of tune somehow.

Of course, as has been pointed out, if you only drive the car very rarely
the risk of the thermostat seizing might outweigh the inefficiency that
results from running without one altogether, so there are no easy   
answers.

Hope this is worth something,
 --
Phil Martin    pmartin@surgnav.com
"Who's my cream-puff?"



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