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Re: Stock Shock Chalk Talk

To: "Pat Kelly" <lollipop487@attbi.com>, <kirkm@zeta-idt.com>,
Subject: Re: Stock Shock Chalk Talk
From: "james creasy" <james@thevenom.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:46:16 -0700
> Couldn't the price cap be adjusted to the cost of living index each year?

good idea, but i recommend using the "Cost of Racing" index instead.  its
about 40% a year for me.

-james c
OSP - Owner Soon Poor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Kelly" <lollipop487@attbi.com>

> Couldn't the price cap be adjusted to the cost of living index each year?
> Just a suggestion.
> --Pat K
>
> ----------
> >From: "Kirk Meline" <kirkm@zeta-idt.com>
> >To: "Anthony Tabacco" <atabacco@california.com>,
<ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> >Subject: RE: Stock Shock Chalk Talk
> >Date: Thu, Aug 8, 2002, 10:14 AM
> >
>
> > Hi Anthony
> >
> > Your version is definitely much easier to read and understand.  The
price
> > limit thing is questionable though.  I hope that your kind of thinking
could
> > be applied to the Street Prepared classes too.  How can I compete with
cars
> > that have $1500 a corner shocks and struts and have 350rwhp as well as
have
> > 315 or 335 tires sticking out of the wheel wells.  Those type of race
parts
> > should be left in the Prepared and Modified classes really.  People
might
> > complain that it really only makes a small difference in track time.
Add
> > all those small changes up and the rich guys have much faster cars.  My
two
> > cents.
> >
> > Kirk
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Anthony Tabacco
> > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:30 AM
> > To: ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Stock Shock Chalk Talk
> >
> >
> > The SEB is all over the map on trying to write a revised rule for stock
> > shocks. You probably read the distilled draft of the rule in Fast-track
last
> > issue. While I appreciate the effort, after mighty debate, it has
brought
> > forth a rule that says that shocks for stock class cars cannot have
remote
> > reservoirs. This isn't even close to good enough. The debate for all
> > practical purposes is dominated and limited to those very few
stakeholders
> > with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, which means more
money
> > than everyone else would even consider spending, or that they make their
> > living at servicing them. It is not healthy for the sport, but I think
they
> > were surprised to hear from an "ordinary" member. The response was
> > interesting. Someone on the SEB asked me (I think sincerely) for
specific
> > language. I am proceeding on the premise that a Koni 2800 or a Penske on
a
> > Stock car is as stupid as R Compounds and that a workable shock rule can
be
> > centered around restrictions on cost. If you don't agree with that, you
need
> > to write your own letter because thats where I'm coming from, and here
is
> > what I have:
> >
> > "It is the intent of this rule that Stock Class serve as the entry class
to
> > the sport and that cost containment is of primary importance to that
goal.
> > Shock absorbers costs are best controlled by limiting shocks to units
> > economical enough that outright replacement of a unit is the mandatory
> > alternative in lieu of rebuilding.
> >
> > 1) Shocks shall be limited to one external adjustment, except when OEM.
> > 2) Shocks are limited to "off the shelf" units available for general
> > distribution street use to the public typically including, but not
limited
> > to: OEM, Koni single adjustable, Bilstein, Tokiko, KYB, or available
"house
> > brands", or other such units that meet the criteria and intent of the
rule.
> > 3) The use of Koni 2800, Olin, Penske, Fox, DMS, or other such units
> > specifically manufactured for the specialty racing market are
specifically
> > disallowed.
> > 4) Shocks shall be installed "as manufactured" and shall not be
purchased
> > from a third party in a modified condition or opened up for any reason
by an
> > entrant or a third party. Revalving, machining, or modifying a shock
> > absorber for any reason is specifically disallowed. Except as supplied
as
> > OEM, the use of remote reservoirs, alloy bodies, adjustable perches, or
> > welded off coil-overs is prohibited.
> > 5) Cost of each unit is limited to $250 per unit or 125% of OEM,
whichever
> > is greater."
> >
> > So, how close did I came? This gets added to the usual other stuff
there.
> > Also, if anyone can tell me if the cost item #5 does not work for them
(like
> > what does a 996 shock cost anyway?) or you can add to the list of
> > allowed/dis-allowed, I would appreciate it. The other smoke and mirror
thing
> > you hear a lot of is enforceability (as though anyone who can get past a
> > dipstick couldn't find tons of legal horsepower and tons more of
> > undetectable horsepower) so they are worried that the guy in the next
pit is
> > going to cheat. its just a screen to not change a situation that has
evolved
> > to the ridiculous.
> >
> > Be good,
> > Tony

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