Unfortunately the lack of sites is not simply an economic limitation. I
don't know of any good sites available for any price. It turns out to
simply not be an economic problem but a "lifestyle" problem. What we do is
just not perceived as a useful or beneficial function at all. heck even the
race tracks have to be in Buttonwillow and Willows.
Perry
----Original Message Follows----
From: "jeff" <archss@ix.netcom.com>
To: "Donald R McKenna" <donbarbmckenna@earthlink.net>
CC: <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: A/C Paving 101
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:18:46 -0700
Don, speaking of $5 per event site fees, you and I will be dead and the
hundreds
of dollars I "donated" still will never get utilized. The site fund should
be used to help
pay the cost of any site. Even if the site cost $4000 a day, at least we
would get some
benefit!
Jeff Glorioso
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald R McKenna" <donbarbmckenna@earthlink.net>
To: "Anthony Tabacco" <atabacco@california.com>; <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: A/C Paving 101
> Tony,
>
> Unfortunately, you've hit the mark! We're (SCCA SFR SOLO II) still going
to
> try, through the $5 site-fee-per-entrant fund, to develop a
"proprietatry"
> site but, the reality of this goal is cooperation. Unless we are able to
> find a "partner" to share their acerage, long-term, with our
"paving-fund"
> the chances of getting a good bay area (or even close-to-bay-area) site
are
> limited. We have to continue to try and find a connection (and add to the
> site fund in the meantime) as the only logical path to a really good
chance
> of getting a good surface to run on.
>
> There are few lots we've used that make most folks "happy".All have
> compromising characteristics over time and with the various weather
> variations throughout the year.that render them "good" only occasionally.
> But then, the alternative is boredom --- and not throughing money into
the
> black hole of autocrossing.
>
> I want to keep throughing!
>
> Don
> ----------
> >From: "Anthony Tabacco" <atabacco@california.com>
> >To: <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> >Subject: A/C Paving 101
> >Date: Mon, Jun 3, 2002, 11:20 AM
> >
>
> >Hot Mix Asphalt Paving ingredients include asphalt binders, course and
fine
> >aggregates, and mineral fillers. About 90-95% of the total volume of the
mix
> >is made up of aggregates. Surfaces that we usually associate with gravel
> >buildup will usually be of a mix design that contains a high percentage
of
> >course aggregates, and probably a degradation of binders though wear and
> >evaporation (petroleum products evaporate). There are various surface
> >treatments, ranging from sprayed asphalt, asphalt seals (fog seal), to
> >slurries of emulsified asphalts mixed with fine aggregates, that can
extend
> >the life of paving by limiting water intrusion, and these are
particularly
> >necessary as the mix begins to disintegrate.
> >
> >I can think of no other activity that will degrade a paved surface
faster
> >than autocrossing on it. The aggregates are literally being pulled from
the
> >surface. Even high traffic-index truck traffic will not subject a
surface
to
> >the high shear of racing cars on it. So that's where the gravel comes
from,
> >and that's why no matter how we sweep it, it reappears. It is just the
> >pavement breaking down. Irreparably.
> >
> >With rough grading, but no curbs, gutters, marking, right now you can
figure
> >about $3.00 per square foot in install a medium index (for large areas
and
> >not a high traffic-index) parking lot. The lot at GGF to use an example
is
> >550,000 SF (about 12.6 acres not counting the staging area). That's
works
> >out to a little over $1.6M.
> >
> >This is all pretty boring stuff but it begs a question that is
interesting
> >( I've always found it very interesting anyway), namely : Why would
anyone
> >let us do this to their lot?
> >
> >Tony
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