Whoa, methinks you're reading far more into anything I've said than what
was intended. I may have misunderstood your point about the costs of
transponders; I'm sorry if I did. As for the costs of the sport, they are as
much as you want to spend. The old question of how fast do you want to go
sort of relates. And a lot of folks don't have a clue of how much that can
be, really...
But your statement that there is hostility between racers and
autocrossers is way off. I love road racers, okay? In fact, I like most
people, even. And maybe at my advanced age, I'm envious. :) Any of my
original posts (way back last week) were merely a 'motherly' be careful
warning kind of thing. Like, dress for the weather, kids and stay out of the
deep puddles. I did race for a period of time in the late 60s, and finished
every race, a most unusual feat in a Lotus 7. :)
--Pat K
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>From: Navid Kahangi <navid@interwoven.com>
>To: ba-autox@autox.team.net
>Subject: RE: Thunderhill report?
>Date: Tue, Dec 18, 2001, 4:49 PM
>
>Pat,
>
>You are missing my point! Whether we buy transponders, or rent them, or pay
>for some other "convenience" things to make the sport we love more
>enjoyable, that's a choice we freely make. The cost of the sport is known.
>You either chose to participate or you don't. Nobody forced people to show
>up at TH. Nobody asked them to pay for something they didn't know about
>ahead of time. If in the future a rental of transponders is necessary, I am
>sure it will be stated ahead of time.
>
>Why so much hostility against time trials?! I don't understand why autoxers
>don't like road racers. But then again, I don't understand why Raider fans
>hate Niners either. It's just one of those things.
>
>--Navid
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pat Kelly [mailto:lollipop487@attbi.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:19 PM
>> To: Navid Kahangi; 'john f. kelly jr.'; ba-autox@autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: Thunderhill report?
>>
>>
>> This is a double reply, first to the value of my head
>> (referencing your
>> earlier post), and the costs involved. Transponders are neat
>> and make T&S
>> far more accurate. I was being facetious when I said I like
>> to spend my $$
>> on things things that make the car go fast, but am reluctant
>> otherwise. A
>> helmet is a necessary safety feature, as are suits, gloves,
>> fire systems,
>> etc.; a transponder is a convenience for T&S, and for the
>> drivers as the
>> times recorded will definitely be theirs and not someone else's. Too
>> different aspects of competition: safety vs. accuracy.
>> John's point about the cost was, I'm sure, not to raise that old issue
>> again, but to point out transponders are not free. If a club
>> gives them to
>> drivers, that club must still purchase them, thus they are a
>> cost that must
>> be covered, probably by raised entry fees, and that sort of thing.
>> The rental solution as Ralph reports makes sense. I'm sure there are
>> maintenance costs of some sort.
>> --Pat Kelly
>> ----------
>> >From: Navid Kahangi <navid@interwoven.com>
>> >To: "'John F. Kelly Jr.'" <76067.1750@compuserve.com>,
>> ba-autox@autox.team.net, Pat Kelly <lollipop487@attbi.com>
>> >Subject: RE: Thunderhill report?
>> >Date: Tue, Dec 18, 2001, 4:21 PM
>> >
>>
>> >John,
>> >
>> >I really don't want to open up another discussion on cost of
>> motorsports. I
>> >also think that we are all old enough to decide what we want
>> to spend our
>> >money on and if we wanted financial advice we would not seek
>> it on this
>> >list. So, let's take this discussion to
>> >ba-let-me-tell-you-what-to-spend-your-money-on list.
>> >
>> >--Navid
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: John F. Kelly Jr. [mailto:76067.1750@compuserve.com]
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 3:55 PM
>> >> To: ba-autox@autox.team.net; Pat Kelly; Navid Kahangi
>> >> Subject: Re: Thunderhill report?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -------------------- Begin Original Message --------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message text written by "Pat Kelly"
>> >>
>> >> " Although,
>> >> >if Thunderhill is interested in continuing this program,
>> they need to
>> >> supply
>> >> >transponders for the cars."
>> >> -------------------- End Original Message --------------------
>> >>
>> >> RE: Transponders.
>> >> I think that's another item somebody forgot to budget for. I'm sure
>> >> Thunderhill can supply. It's mostly a question of money.
>> >> Yours. <G> As I
>> >> recall they go for about $235.
>> >>
>> >> --John Kelly
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