Didnt we hear you go from annoucer to card sorter in the motorhome at one
event ? I cant remeber the exact words said as you left the microphone but I
think it is not something we can use up band width with...
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelly, Katie <kkelly@spss.com>
To: <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:20 PM
Subject: RE: 2000 Winter Slush Series-revised
> I've worked in the trailer a "few" times, even with complete rookie crews.
> The events where the crew worked best was when there was enough time given
> to fully explain, without feeling rushed, what each job is.
>
> The problems come when there is all this yelling to get things started.
> People feel rushed, they get stressed, they get confused, and they can't
> think, so more people yell, and then you have to stop everything.
>
> Believe it or not, working in the trailer, especially when there's an
> announcer :), can be really, really fun. It really, truly doesn't have to
be
> that stressful.
>
> By the way, radios are a good tool, but when we become too reliant on
them,
> things fall apart. Did anyone notice how smoothly Round 13 went? That was
> without a PA system or radios. Do you think there's anything to be learned
> from that?
>
> Katie K.
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: adozzell@sc9.intel.com [mailto:adozzell@sc9.intel.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:41 PM
> > To: PETER.THANA@Roche.COM; ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: 2000 Winter Slush Series-revised
> >
> >
> > I wasn't slamming you Peter, I was trying to say that you should
> > not have been put in a position to have to deal with that. I agree
> > with a previous response that we should make an effort to train
> > good trailer crew so that we never have a situation when there's
> > less than 2 very experienced people in the trailer so that the
> > event moves more smoothly and we continue to expand the list of
> > people who can fill these positions. And I'm experienced and
> > willing to train and have been training so I'm free to complain ;)
> >
> > Another place where I think we need more experienced people is with
> > both setup and teardown. I know when I chaired my event earlier in
> > the year that I would have been lost with Jim there to help pack up
> > Moby Dick. I personally vow to learn better how stuff goes into
> > the motorhome, but it would be cool if there were 50 people who knew
> > it well.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > Peter wrote:
> >
> > >Tony,
> > >
> > >I worked the trailer during the second group on Sunday,
> > which is about when
> > >we had that 10 minute break between groups you were
> > referring to. Let me
> > >tell you that between the four of us in the trailer, there
> > was very little
> > >trailer job experience. I had done announcer a couple of
> > times, and our
> > >card sorter was great, but that's it. And I really think
> > that we did a good
> > >job considering the circumstances, especially our scorer and
> > cone counter,
> > >who had never worked the trailer before and *absolutely*
> > never missed a beat
> > >or got behind during the 1.5+ hours we were there.
> >
> > >The fact is though, that we didn't especially know what we
> > were doing going
> > >in, but there just wasn't anyone else to help. *I* made the
> > decision to
> > >take a few minutes in the beginning to get things sorted
> > out, because once
> > >you get behind in the trailer it is very hard to catch up.
> > I also told the
> > >entirely rookie trailer crew for group three that if they
> > got behind, they
> > >should just hold the start and take care of it rather than
> > screwing up
> > >everyone's times and causing even more delays and frustration.
> > >
> > >I run in the PAX/Street Tire group, which often has 15 or
> > fewer entrants.
> > >While we only usually take about 1/2 hour to run, the group
> > we work often
> > >takes three times that long to run. Sometimes worker shortages are
> > >unavoidable. As for putting experienced people in the
> > trailer, keep in mind
> > >that there have to be at least a few experienced people out
> > on course to
> > >ensure the safety of our rookie course workers.
> > >
> > >So I hate to sound like "if you feel the need to complain,
> > then volunteer to
> > >do it yourself", but yeah, that's basically what I'm saying.
> > >
> > >Peter Thana
> > >SFR AS-ST
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: adozzell@sc9.intel.com [SMTP:adozzell@sc9.intel.com]
> > >> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 3:40 PM
> > >> To: Kevin_Stevens@Bigfoot.com; ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > >> Subject: Re: 2000 Winter Slush Series-revised
> > >>
> > >> Kevin highlights one of my pet peeves with recent events.
> > >> The trailer should be able to handle a 15 second overlap
> > >> with no more than 3 people in the trailer if they know what
> > >> they are doing and are paying attention. A solid trailer cew
> > >> is essential to a smooth event and maybe we should restrict the
> > >> trailer crew to those folks that can do the job.
> > >> At the 8/13 GGF event Jim Ochi and I ran the trailer alone and
> > >> we averaged 21s overlaps for our run group and we had time to
> > >> hold the start and run out onto course to reset cones that had
> > >> been knocked over and missed by the crew on course.
> > >> I can buy the safety argument for overlap times and I can buy
> > >> the argument that you have to wait for folks to finish their
> > >> conversation before running to pick up a downed cone, but I
> > >> don't agree that the trailer cannot keep up.
> > >>
> > >> I'm hoping that doesn't sound too harsh but the trailer hurts
> > >> our events on a number of occasions.
> > >>
> > >> Tony
> > >> (still in nomex)
> >
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