Mark Shaw wrote:
> I think "get real" may be good advice for you...:-) My point was that
> even if voluntary bumping is termed illegal, it can be easily circumvented
> by using all subtle features of the rules. Further, I made no comment about
> the worth of a person's entry...you keep injecting that concept. I am
> merely pointing out that there are other ways to find "competition" if you
> are a single car class. Why cann't we discuss those in a rational manner?
> Why cann't why suggest these to people in that situation?
I think the problem here is that you (Mark) have a different definition
of this "voluntary bumping" term than we (Rocky and I) have.
My definition is the ability to use the bumping order in appendix B to
enter and run in any class that is "downstream" of my "proper" class. I
claim this is absolutely illegal. If the event decides that my class
will be combined with a different class, that's one thing -- but I can't
choose any class downstream of myself.
I *think* your definition is the ability to run in a "higher" category
than your car is prepared for. I.e., if you have a stock car, you could
run it in SP. In the proper SP class for the car. I.e., if I had a
Miata legal for Stock, I could also run it in CSP. I could also run it
in EP. Or DM.
On that second definition, which might be yours, I totally agree, that's
absolutely fine (but it's not necessarily the case that your CSP-legal
Miata is legal for EP). The first definition, that's definitely not.
You can definitely cheat with rules like that (see my rainy day example
from a couple of days ago).
So, are we actually agreeing on the rules, but arguing about
nomenclature?
Josh
>
> > And now the person who comes out nearly every event, but finds himself in a
> > one-car class, is not a serious competitor? .......
>
> This value judgement is yours, not mine. Give it a rest!
>
> > No, the bureaucratic BS of which I speak is not what is in the rulebook, or
> > the organization of the event to establish start times or requirements that
> > certain classes run at certain times of the day. It is the establishment of
> > local policies such as trophy distribution that demean the efforts of
> > drivers for reasons beyond their control, such as nobody else showed up.
> > Establishing a run order is necessary. Demeaning a driver's effort and
> > commitment is BS. Establishing such demeaning treatment as policy is
> > bureaucratic BS.
>
> You are merely selecting what you believe are important and classifying
> other topics as BBS. I note that you say that run order is necessary, that
> when you run during the day is necessary...why? We have had long debates
> about the value of such restrictions and have actually relaxed them for
> some classes. Merely setting up the event to have classes with more than
> one entry is no different than any other administrative task.
>
> You seem to place a high value on a trophy for a single car class.
> Why, I don't know (and don't care); but I do resent you labeling
> me as somebody who doesn't care about others in this sport or that
> I think only my concepts work. If you check my record with others in
> AZ Region you will find this label to be totally unwarranted.
> Compared with many of the "old timers" I am more willing to accept
> change, challenge, and/or entertain new approaches to see if they work.
> You can call me a risk taker or a radical, if you wish....:-)
>
> Mark
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