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RE: Good choices for ST

To: "'whitney'" <whitneys@mindspring.com>, autox@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: Good choices for ST
From: Jeff Randall <jrandall@avei.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:10:43 -0700
The 225's will fit on the Civic's without rubbage.  I have some 225/50 on
mine and my car is dumped.  I have to lift up the car to slide a scissor
jack underneath. 

-----Original Message-----
From: whitney [mailto:whitneys@mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 1:05 PM
To: Vince Bly; richj50@bit-net.com; autox@autox.team.net
Cc: richj50@bit-net.com
Subject: Re: Good choices for ST


At least on a civic, 7" rims will fit under the fenders completely, not
sure about 225" tires, but certainly 205's will (and 215 r1's)- which not
that long ago, was the size that won nationals in CSP (90 or 91).  

The light car is a plus, if you can tune around the inside wheelspin.  The
SER seems like an ideal starting point great power potential plus the VLSD,
and a shell that might come down to 2200 lbs with work.  Perhaps with a
clever update of a non sunroof sentra with the SER drivetrain....on 14x7
wheels....or 13's with the smaller non SER brakes.....

I feel like Andy B, looking for the new ST killer car everyday.


Good luck guys
Stan Whitney
DP CRX - still for sale, getting faster all the time! (just not with me)


At 12:33 PM 8/23/99 -0400, Vince Bly wrote:
>At 09:33 AM 6/23/99 -0400, richj50@bit-net.com wrote:
>>Here in New England I've heard discussion about what might and might not
>>make a good car for ST.  The 4th gen VTEC Prelude is clearly capable with
>>Mr. Bly behind the wheel and others have definitely hypothesized that the
>>Sentra SE-R could be a contender because of the relatively good power and
>>limited slip.
>>
>>Here's my question:  Given that ST allows most of the good stuff allowed
>>in street-prepared, why wouldn't the best ST cars be the same as the
>>best CSP cars?  ASP and BSP cars would most likely fall outside of the
>>"sports car" exclusion, but there are lots of CSP cars with 4 seats that
>>are much better than a Prelude or a Sentra.  For example, a CSP Civic Si
>>hatchback or a CSP M3 would obliterate a Prelude or a Sentra in CSP, so
>>why shouldn't things be about the same in ST?
>>
>>Thoughts?
>>
>>Rich Johnston
>>ESP #177
>>
>>p.s.  Please cc me on responses.  I'm on the digest.
>>
>>-------------------------------------
>
>Rich,
>
>       Your's is a good question.  The M3 is out because it is only
available
>with a limited slip.  This also applies to the older 4-cylinder (E-30 ?)
M3. 
>A Civic hatchback might be competitive, although the limitations of ST hurt
>it relative to its competition more than the CSP rules.  The stock car is
>down on power, but an unlimited intake system, 0.040" overbore, reworked
>head and block, etc. bumps it up a lot.  Also, the stock wheels & tires are

>relatively small, but in CSP wheel widths are unlimited and fenders can be
>flared.  A key question, relative to the potential competitiveness of the
>Civic, is: can a 225/50-15 tire on a 7" rim fit with reasonable clearance
>on a lowered Civic without flaring the fenders?  What about gearing?  It
>should also be noted that some of the best street tires are only available
>in 16" or larger diameters.
>
>       This might me a fruitful thread.  Certainly, all other things being 
>equal (which they never quite are), a smaller car is better.  
>
>                                               Vince Bly #49 ST (big/wide
Prelude)
>
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