What you say are true.
But,
Do you have problem with the Lucas 11 AC and 16 AC alternators??
I have on the shelf at least seven working 11 AC alternators from cars I have
scrapped. Will I ever use them??
Kristian J
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Fren: "Paul Tring" <paultring@blueyonder.co.uk>
Till: "Ron Tebo" <mrtebo@telus.net>; "KKJ" <kkj@privat.utfors.se>
Kopia: "alpines" <alpines@autox.team.net>
Skickat: den 25 mars 2003 11:34
Dmne: Re: SV: "Hillman - " Starter
> Ron
> Lucas do seem to get a lot of criticism but from my experience, most is
> undeserved, although I agree reliability took a nosedive with the
> introduction of the alternator. Their starters/dynamos/wiper motors etc go
> on for ever and if they do play up all that is normally required is to
> clean up the commutator and fit new brushes. The same goes for distributors,
> they far outlasted other makes and any problems were due to lack of
> maintenance or faulty vacuum advance units. Most problems arose from the
> corroded "bullet " connectors , faulty ground connections or badly fitted
> accessories. Circuit protection was minimal (i.e fuses) and should have
> improved as time went on but in the early days this was the norm. It always
> used to amaze me that people would cut into wiring looms and just twist the
> wires together and then wonder why problems started to arise.
> Paul Tring
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Tebo" <mrtebo@telus.net>
> To: "KKJ" <kkj@privat.utfors.se>
> Cc: "alpines" <alpines@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:06 PM
> Subject: Re: SV: "Hillman - " Starter
>
>
> > Kristian:
> >
> > Although I hate to defend the "Prince of Darkness", I have to say that I
> > have been abusing my early series starter for many years, and was so
> > confident it would fail that I have an rebuilt unit all ready to go in!
> > The reason for the abuse is that once or twice a month during the long
> > winters (was minus 33 C here just over 2 weeks ago, and we won't plant
> > until the end of May!) I start my Alpine and get it good and hot. The
> > abuse is a result of deliberately not priming carbs or choking until the
> > oil pressure comes up. I run the starter in 15-20 second bursts until I
> > see pressure on the guage. This is hard on the starter but (I think)
> > preserves the engine. It has been 18 years now, and still starts
> > immediately when I choke it after the pressure appears.
> >
> > Ron Tebo - Series I - B9000627
> >
> > KKJ wrote:
> > >
> > > Still the modern starter are smaller and stronger.
> > >
> > > And that small bronze bearing that have to take the whole load. As an
> engineer I have an unpleasant feeling about this. And that is also an
> important argument!!
> > >
> > > It would be possibly to replace the bronze bearing with an roller
> bearing!
> > >
> > > The starter in my Imp 875 cc. is the same as in my 1725 engines and the
> starter is really spinning that engine, but its not "spinning" the 1725
> engine. Its more like "dragging it around"
> > >
> > > We have cold winters here.
> > >
> > > I think I have 15 old type ( sliding gear engage by movement) starters.
> two of them can be used (I hope) as reserve. Rest is junk. Bronze bearing
> and commutator bad. (why haven't I get rid of them?)
> > > I also have 6 of the "solenoid engaged" from Hunters. They are OK every
> one. (Barrel commutator type). They seem to last better then the sliding
> gear.
> > > Some of these Hunter starters are even bigger then the others. I don't
> know why.
> > > The only disk commutator starter I have is from a Ford Cortina. On later
> Hunters and Avangers maybe??
> > >
> > > The modern starter electrical motors are spinning faster because they
> have a reduction gear and as a result the electrical motor are smaller
> (Sometimes even smaller then the solenoid sitting beside it.)
> > > Of course Lucas and others could have done this in the -50 -60, but the
> production cost to make the reduction gear was probably to high at that
> time.
> > >
> > > Kristian J
> > >
> > > ----- Ursprungligt meddelande -----
> > > Fren: "alkon" <alkon@bigpond.com>
> > > Till: "hillmanlist" <hillman@can-inc.com>
> > > Skickat: den 24 mars 2003 01:02
> > > Dmne: Re: SV: "Hillman - " Starter
> > >
> > > > This message forwarded by the Hillman List.
> > > >
> > > > All I can say is "Amen"
> > > > My hotted up high compression
> > > > (take 0.1" off head and see what you get for compression :-))
> > > > Static compression tested at 175psi.
> > > > Never had starter motor problems.
> > > > Did have dead batteries 'cause I could never afford a decent one.
> > > >
> > > > Keith
> > > > 55 Californian
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "jumpinjan" <jservaites@woh.rr.com>
> > > > To: "KKJ" <kkj@privat.utfors.se>
> > > > Cc: "alpine autox" <alpines@autox.team.net>; <hillman@can-inc.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 12:41 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: SV: "Hillman - " Starter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I don't understand why people think new technology will work better
> if
> > > > > you just get a good starter to begin with? I drove my Alpine, back
> in
> > > > > the '70s, for many years and never had any starter problems (and I
> was
> > > > > using 12.5:1 compression in my engine). I guess my recommendation is
> to
> > > > > buy a rebuilt one from Rick at S.S. and be done with it.
> > > > > Jan
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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