Which would make the 90 bhp DIN for these V6s about 97 'Rootes' bhp
Vic
S3 ST with 82 'Rootes' bhp (about 76 bhp DIN) + whatever extractors, downdraft
Weber and slightly higher compression gives
Jan Eyerman wrote:
> Rootes HP was actually quite conservative. I believe that the 1968 Rapier was
> quoted as 95 HP and was 88 DIN HP. The Early Minxes were quoted as 53 HP and
> were 47 or 48 DIN. Nothing like some US cars which went decreased from 200+
> HP to 130 SAE/DIN HP.
>
> Jan Eyerman
> 1959 Hillman Minx Series III DeLuxe (52 1/2 HP or 47 DIN HP)
> 1973 Hillman Avenger DL (70 HP or 55 DIN HP)
>
> Victor Hughes <hughes@scides.canberra.edu.au> wrote:
> From the websites I found in Europe, the 2.0 was 90 bhp, the 2.3 was 105 and
> the
> 2.6 was 125. That's in the European DIN way of quoting, which I understand is
> more conservative than the method used by Rootes in the 1960s. So 90 bhp (or
> PS
> as they say in Europe) DIN may well be worth about 100 Rootes English bhp.
>
> Cheers
>
> Vic
>
> Jarrid Gross wrote:
>
> >
> > Actually the 2.8 engine was 105 HP, the 2.0 would run in the 80 HP realm,
> > which would leave you with little more than a new engine, and a tad more
> > torque.
> >
> > Jarrid
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alexander Adan" <adadan@sfsu.edu>
> > To: "Jarrid Gross" <jarrid_gross@earthlink.net>
> > Cc: "Alpine List" <alpines@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: 400each 2.6 V6s on Ebay
> >
> > > Thanks for the info, Jarrid. I wondered what, if any differences existed
> > between the
> > > various German Ford V6 motors, and whether there might be some extra
> > difficulties with this
> > > smaller version of the motor. I've been thinking that it might be wise
> to
> > buy more than
> > > one, if I can scrape up the funds and find a place to put it.
> > >
> > > For others curious about the motors, basically it's the smallest
> > displacement version of
> > > the German Ford V6, which is a popular conversion for Alpines. From what
> > I understand the
> > > block is the same and thus the conversion kit that is used for the 2.8
> > liter motor could be
> > > used for this, even though it's only a 2.0 liter motor. I'm not sure of
> > this however, and
> > > need to do more research.
> > >
> > > The motors were listed in a "Dutch" auction on ebay starting at $250
> each,
> > and they are
> > > described as unused surplus motors rather than rebuilt. Since only two
> of
> > the 400 motors
> > > were sold in the ebay auction, the seller still has a bunch to sell.
> From
> > the exchange
> > > I've had with her so far I think she's willing to sell them for the
> > starting price of $250
> > > plus a shipping and packing charge--I don't know yet how she feels about
> > the motors being
> > > picked up in person. (Possibly a savings for me as I live in
> California.)
> > >
> > > Here's her original description of the motors, from the ebay auction:
> > >
> > > COMPLETE...READY TO INSTALL New 2.0 Liter V6 Assemblies consist of
> > Cylinder block w/
> > > piston, cylinder heads, crank and camshaft, Flywheel, Intake, Oil Filter,
> > Oil Pan, Spark
> > > Plugs, 2 Barrel Carb., Distributor w/ wires, Water Pumps, Fuel Pump,
> Valve
> > Covers, All
> > > internal Parts in Engine. (2000 CC) Standard Application: Taunus,
> Granada,
> > Consul
> > >
> > > Alex Adan
> > >
> > >
> > > Jarrid Gross wrote:
> > >
> > > > Carefull on the magic german V6 engines.
> > > >
> > > > Parts are absolutely NOT available in the US, and
> > > > some parts like the exhaust manifolds, which you will
> > > > need, are not the same as the larger (2.8) V6, and
> > > > might be tough to find as well.
> > > >
> > > > Transmisions COULD also be of concern becuase
> > > > ford was fond of changing the locations of the starter,
> > > > making otherwise compatible transmisions dependant
> > > > upon a particular bellhousing, input shaft length, and
> > > > consequently a specific transmision.
> > > > Case in point is that the german V6 in US Capris
> > > > used an external shifter version of the pinto single
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > rail transmision due to the fact that the pinto engine
> > > > and bellhousing used a ford starter, and the german
> > > > mercury engine used a bosch starter on the opposite
> > > > side of the engine.
> > > >
> > > > I think these engines would be a steal at $250
> > > > considering that they are new, just be aware of the
> > > > true cost of ownership once you get them.
> > > >
> > > > Jarrid Gross
> > > >
> > > > Alexander Adan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I don't know if anyone is still interested in the V6 engines that
> were
> > on ebay, but
> > > > > I've been in touch with the woman who is selling them, and she has
> > plenty left
> > > > > (according to the auction results, there was one bidder who took two
> > motors out of the
> > > > > 400). She told me that these are unused surplus motors, not rebuilt.
> > I'm in
> > > > > California, so I'm seriously considering picking one up for a V6
> > conversion as my
> > > > > pieced together (by a previous owner) Series IV has been garaged due
> > to alarming (and
> > > > > expensive sounding) noises that go away when the front spark-plug
> wire
> > is pulled.
> > > > > I've needed a new transmission for quite awhile as well, so I'm
> > thinking about
> > > > > swapping the whole works.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone is interested in more information about the motors, let me
> > know and I'll be
> > > > > happy to ask her.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alex Adan
> > > > >
> > > > > '65 Series IV with Series II clutch, homebrew soft top, and who knows
> > what else. . .
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