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My only knowledge of how TRF's Magic Clutch works on the car is from postin=
gs here on the lists. I do know that TRF has always been a strong advocate =
for quality above price, and I feel that is really important when it comes =
to parts that are a real pig to get at and change-out.=20
My current clutch was "cobbled together" from parts from TRF, World Parts (=
remember them? are they still around?) and a junk yard in Asheville NC. I w=
as there for the 1994 VTR National and arrived on the "hook" of a tow truck=
. I changed the clutch in the host hotel's parking lot in the heat between =
the daily thunder storms. That's something I hope never to repeat! I have n=
ot had any further touble with it, but you never know. My next one will be =
a Magic Clutch from TRF.
> On 06/18/2021 7:28 PM Robert Rochlin <rrochlin@comcast.net> wrote:
> =20
> =20
> My opinion is using a bronze bearing carrier is extremely important =
to getting a smooth clutch action.
> How heavy the clutch action on TR6 is has been a repeated discussio=
n on the list. Randell Young had a number of articles on TR6 clutch resear=
ch by TR6 enthusiasts. I=E2=80=99ve had many standard shift cars and I can=
=E2=80=99t recall any having a heavier clutch action then the TR6 even many=
V8=E2=80=99s. There is an internal hydraulic clutch available for the T=
R6, but I don=E2=80=99t think the TRF magic clutch kit utilizes it.
> Best
> Bob
> 72=E2=80=99 TR6
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>=20
> > > On Jun 18, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
> >=20
> >=20
> > >=20
> > > I may be wrong, but I think the TRF Magic Clutch Kit =
has the slave cylinder inside the bell housing. I don't have one, have he=
ard many say it is a good kit, and I am sure it is, but that particular fea=
ture gives me a little concern.
> > =20
> > =20
> > Greg Lemon
> > TR250
> >=20
> > On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 4:11 PM rmf3860 rmf3860 < bobfabie@gmail.=
com mailto:bobfabie@gmail.com > wrote:
> >=20
> > > > > =20
> > > Thanks to all who responded to my post, and a few follow =
up questions/comments:
> > > =20
> > > BERRY PRICE: You installed a LUK clutch and stated, =E2=
=80=9C=E2=80=A6and its been trouble.=E2=80=9D Did you mean it=E2=80=99s bee=
n no trouble?
> > > =20
> > > TOM WALLING: I may be leaning toward the =E2=80=9CMagic C=
lutch Kit=E2=80=9D. Do they specify the brands of each component, or do you=
know from having installed the kit?
> > > =20
> > > DICK TAYLOR: Would you recommend TRF=E2=80=99s kit, just =
their TO bearing, or some other combination? Is this the bearing that requ=
ires a counter spring on the slave?
> > > =20
> > > MARK BRADAKIS: Great story. Too bad you had to disassembl=
e everything a second time after hearing the crunching sounds. Do you recom=
mend TRF kit or something else?
> > > =20
> > > TIMOTHY HOLBROOK: Yes, I=E2=80=99m aware of the importanc=
e of proper alignment and will ensure that the studs and bolts are properly=
in place.
> > > =20
> > > Thanks again to all. This is a very helpful resource to h=
ave.
> > > =20
> > > Bob Fabie
> > > Fredericksburg, VA
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > >=20
> > > On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:13 PM Timothy Holbrook < tjh173=
@yahoo.com mailto:tjh173@yahoo.com > wrote:
> > >=20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > Hi Bob,
> > > > =20
> > > > Something that is VERY important is ensuring you ha=
ve got all of the correct bolts in place for the bell housing (that is, the=
bolts that hold the transmission to the engine) and you put the right bolt=
s in the right holes. Several of the bolts are actually "locating pins". T=
hey are a specific diameter with a shoulder (none-threaded portion) and mus=
t go in the specific proper holes. These ensure proper alignment of the tr=
ans and engine, and therefore also ensure proper alignment of the throwout =
bearing and pressure plate. Cheap insurance - buy all new bolts so you kno=
w you've got the correct proper bolts, and spend time carefully ensuring yo=
u put the right bolts in the right holes. =20
> > > > =20
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Tim Holbrook
> > > > 1971 TR6 (which went through 3 throwout bearings in=
1999 when I was daily driving it)
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 06:35:58 PM EDT, rmf386=
0 rmf3860 < bobfabie@gmail.com mailto:bobfabie@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > Fellow Enthusiasts,
> > > > =20
> > > > I know this is an old topic, but products and user =
experiences change over time, so in the midst of my engine/trans rebuild, I=
thought it best to get the group=E2=80=99s current collective wisdom.=20
> > > > =20
> > > > My current set up (which I intend to replace) is a =
Luk disc, pressure plate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing has left an i=
ndentation on the pressure plate fingers. There=E2=80=99s no more than 5,00=
0 miles on the clutch system.=20
> > > > =20
> > > > While idling with the clutch out, there was always =
a whine-which I believe was the TO bearing spinning against the pressure pl=
ate=E2=80=99s straight fingers. The initial clutch engagement was somewhat =
sudden, not smooth.=20
> > > > =20
> > > > What are your experiences and recommendations?
> > > > =20
> > > > Thanks.=20
> > > > Bob Fabie
> > > > Fredericksburg, VA
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<span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">My only knowled=
ge of how TRF's Magic Clutch works on the car is from postings here on the =
lists. I do know that TRF has always been a strong advocate for quality abo=
ve price, and I feel that is really important when it comes to parts that a=
re a real pig to get at and change-out. </span>
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<span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">My current clut=
ch was "cobbled together" from parts from TRF, World Parts (remember them? =
are they still around?) and a junk yard in Asheville NC. I was there for th=
e 1994 VTR National and arrived on the "hook" of a tow truck. I changed the=
clutch in the host hotel's parking lot in the heat between the daily thund=
er storms. That's something I hope never to repeat! I have not had any furt=
her touble with it, but you never know. My next one will be a Magic Clutch =
from TRF.</span>
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mportant to getting a smooth clutch action.=20
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How heavy the clutch action on TR6 is has been a repeated discus=
sion on the list. Randell Young had a number of articles on TR6 clutc=
h research by TR6 enthusiasts. I=E2=80=99ve had many standard shift cars an=
d I can=E2=80=99t recall any having a heavier clutch action then the TR6 ev=
en many V8=E2=80=99s. There is an internal hydraulic clut=
ch available for the TR6, but I don=E2=80=99t think the TRF magic clutch ki=
t utilizes it.
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Best
</div>=20
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I may be wrong, but I think the TRF Magic Clutch Kit has the slave c=
ylinder inside the bell housing. I don't have one, have heard m=
any say it is a good kit, and I am sure it is, but that particular feature =
gives me a little concern.=20
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TR250
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On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 4:11 PM rmf3860 rmf3860 <
<a href=3D"mailto:bobfabie@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noop=
ener">bobfabie@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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Thanks to all who responded to my post, and a few follow up questi=
ons/comments:
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BERRY PRICE: You installed a LUK clutch and stated, =E2=80=9C=E2=
=80=A6and its been trouble.=E2=80=9D Did you mean it=E2=80=99s been no trou=
ble?
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TOM WALLING: I may be leaning toward the =E2=80=9CMagic Clutch Kit=
=E2=80=9D. Do they specify the brands of each component, or do you know fro=
m having installed the kit?
</div>=20
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DICK TAYLOR: Would you recommend TRF=E2=80=99s kit, just their TO =
bearing, or some other combination? Is this the bearing that requires=
a counter spring on the slave?
</div>=20
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MARK BRADAKIS: Great story. Too bad you had to disassemble everyth=
ing a second time after hearing the crunching sounds. Do you recommend TRF =
kit or something else?
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TIMOTHY HOLBROOK: Yes, I=E2=80=99m aware of the importance of prop=
er alignment and will ensure that the studs and bolts are properly in place=
.
</div>=20
<div dir=3D"auto">
</div>=20
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Thanks again to all. This is a very helpful resource to have.
</div>=20
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Bob Fabie
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Fredericksburg, VA
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pener">tjh173@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:
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of the correct bolts in place for the bell housing (that is, the bolts tha=
t hold the transmission to the engine) and you put the right bolts in the r=
ight holes. Several of the bolts are actually "locating pins". They a=
re a specific diameter with a shoulder (none-threaded portion) and must go =
in the specific proper holes. These ensure proper alignment of the tr=
ans and engine, and therefore also ensure proper alignment of the throwout =
bearing and pressure plate. Cheap insurance - buy all new bolts so yo=
u know you've got the correct proper bolts, and spend time carefully ensuri=
ng you put the right bolts in the right holes.
</div>=20
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Regards,
</div>=20
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1971 TR6 (which went through 3 throwout bearings in 1999 when=
I was daily driving it)
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My current set up (which I intend to replace) is a Luk di=
sc, pressure plate and RHP T/O bearing. The T/O bearing has left an indenta=
tion on the pressure plate fingers. There=E2=80=99s no more than 5,000 mile=
s on the clutch system.
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While idling with the clutch out, there was always a whin=
e-which I believe was the TO bearing spinning against the pressure plate=E2=
=80=99s straight fingers. The initial clutch engagement was somewhat sudden=
, not smooth.
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Bob Fabie
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