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"My Morgan is one of hundreds with the same 17 digit VIN"
Must make for an interesting Carfax report
Greg Lemon
TR250
On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 5:03 PM wbeech <wbeech@flash.net> wrote:
> Jonas,
>
> My Morgan is one of hundreds with the same 17 digit VIN. Seems when they
> ordered the blank VIN plates there was a sample number inserted that got
> replicated. Had a brief skirmish with the insurance company before getti=
ng
> a letter from MMC explaining it. DMV used the 5 digit chassis number
> without any questions.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *
> jpaynepbr@cox.net
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 6, 2019 4:10 PM
> *To:* 'Andrew Uprichard' <auprichard@uprichard.net>; 'Triumphs' <
> triumphs@autox.team.net>; 6pack@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] VINs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Andrew,
>
>
>
> I have seen many mangled =E2=80=9CVIN Numbers=E2=80=9D on vintage car tit=
les.
>
>
>
> Apparently when DMV=E2=80=99s across the country became computerized, the=
re was no
> standard on how to input 17 digits in on a title for a car with a 4 or 5
> digit serial number.
>
>
>
> The solution for my 1960 Morgan registered in Hawaii was to insert 13
> zeros in front of the 4 digit serial number.
>
>
>
> I had a 1964 AH 3000 with a CA title that was AHEALEYBJ then the body tag
> number
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jonas Payne
>
> PBR Consulting Services, LLC
>
> 702.882.6711
>
>
>
> *We have Moved!*
>
> Our new offices are locted at:
>
>
>
> 3191 E. Warm Springs Rd. #13
>
> Las Vegas, NV 89120
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Andrew
> Uprichard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 6, 2019 1:13 PM
> *To:* 'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.team.net>; 6pack@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [TR] VINs
>
>
>
> I just went to get a title on a TR which came with a factory overdrive.
> The old title appropriately ended =E2=80=9CLO=E2=80=9D, but I was told th=
at =E2=80=9COs=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CIs=E2=80=9D
> are no longer acceptable in titles. So I had to change the VIN (on the
> title) to =E2=80=9CL0=E2=80=9D. Then I had to call the insurance company=
to explain the
> same story to them and have them send me a proof of insurance with =E2=80=
=9CL0=E2=80=9D.
>
>
>
> Anyone else come across this? Maybe it has been going on for years: I
> have 4 cars with overdrive, but this was the first factory one.
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, MI
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<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:sans-seri=
f;font-size:12.8px">"My Morgan is one of hundreds with the same 17 dig=
it VIN"</span><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);fo=
nt-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"=
>Must make for an interesting Carfax report</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"=
><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);fon=
t-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Greg Lemon=C2=A0</span></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:sans-serif;font-s=
ize:12.8px">TR250</span></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 5:03 PM wbeech <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net";>wbeech@flash.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purp=
le"><div class=3D"m_7615099030354052932WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Jonas,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">My Morgan is one of hundreds with t=
he same 17 digit VIN.=C2=A0 Seems when they ordered the blank VIN plates th=
ere was a sample number inserted that got replicated.=C2=A0 Had a brief ski=
rmish with the insurance company before getting a letter from MMC explainin=
g it.=C2=A0 DMV used the 5 digit chassis number without any questions.<u></=
u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Bi=
ll<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f4=
97d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"c=
olor:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none=
;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs-bounces@autox.te=
am.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href=3D"mailto:jpaynepbr@cox.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">jpaynepbr@cox.net</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednes=
day, November 6, 2019 4:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Andrew Uprichard' <=
<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer">auprichard@uprichard.net</a>>; 'Triumphs' <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumph=
s@autox.team.net</a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">6pack@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re:=
[TR] VINs<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Andrew,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">I have seen many mangled =E2=80=9CVIN Numbers=E2=80=9D =
on vintage car titles.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Apparently when DMV=E2=80=99s across t=
he country became computerized, there was no standard on how to input 17 di=
gits in on a title for a car with a 4 or 5 digit serial number.=C2=A0 <u></=
u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">The solution for my 1960 Morgan registered in Hawaii was to insert =
13 zeros in front of the 4 digit serial number.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had a 1964 =
AH 3000 with a CA title that was AHEALEYBJ then the body tag number<u></u><=
u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jonas Payne<u></u><u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">PBR Consulting Services, LLC<u></u><u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">702.882.6711<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i>We have Moved!<u></u><u><=
/u></i></b></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Our new offices are locted at:<u></u>=
<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">3191 E. Warm Springs Rd. #13<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Las Vegas, NV 89120<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.=
0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs=
<<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of <=
/b>Andrew Uprichard<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 6, 2019 1:13 PM<br>=
<b>To:</b> 'Triumphs' <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">6=
pack@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] VINs<u></u><u></u></p></div=
></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I just went=
to get a title on a TR which came with a factory overdrive.=C2=A0 The old =
title appropriately ended =E2=80=9CLO=E2=80=9D, but I was told that =E2=80=
=9COs=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CIs=E2=80=9D are no longer acceptable in titles.=
=C2=A0 So I had to change the VIN (on the title) to =E2=80=9CL0=E2=80=9D.=
=C2=A0 Then I had to call the insurance company to explain the same story t=
o them and have them send me a proof of insurance with =E2=80=9CL0=E2=80=9D=
.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family=
:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif=
">Anyone else come across this?=C2=A0 Maybe it has been going on for years:=
=C2=A0 I have 4 cars with overdrive, but this was the first factory one.<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&qu=
ot;Times New Roman",serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">An=
drew Uprichard<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Jackson, MI<u></u><u></u=
></span></p></div></div>** <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; targe=
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