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Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground?

To: "John Cyganowski" <janah@att.net>, "David Friedlander" <forzion7@gmail.com>, "6-Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground?
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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 08:22:57 -0500
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Will dielectric grease minimize the problem with oxidation on these =
contacts?
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: John Cyganowski via 6pack=20
  To: David Friedlander ; 6-Pack=20
  Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground?


  Dave-


  Glad it worked out.  I was losing those instruments and devices =
intermittently among other issues.


  Once I realized they were all on the same circuit, with some =
manipulation and they would come back only to go again.  So I replaced =
the fuse box.  This resolved about 95% of the issues.


  Corrosion is maybe too strong a word - but oxidation will certainly =
occur over time and impact the contacts.


  Best of Luck-
  John





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  From: David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com>
  To: John Cyganowski <janah@att.net>; 6-Pack <6pack@autox.team.net>=20
  Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [6pack] Intermittent ground?



  Thanks, John. Your thought process on this is quite good. It turned =
out that the problem was solved this afternoon, by simply removing the =
fuse, lightly sanding its metal ends, then reinserting it into the fuse =
clips! I knew something was quite there when I measured zero volts on =
one end of the fuse and 12.65 on the other! Prior to that, the heater =
fan, the turn signals, the wipers, the brake lights and the two gauges =
didn't work. I re-inserted that fuse and it's like 20,000 volts into =
Frankenstein's monster. It LIVES! Being as the fuse box is relatively =
new, as are the fuses, it was hard to imagine (or SEE) any corrosion =
that could cause such chaos! All from one green circuit fuse! It's been =
a long tome since everything worked so having everything back at the =
same time is like having a party with old, long-lost friends! LOL!


  Special kudos to IM Sloane for helping me think through this latest =
'adventure'....



  Thanks for responding,



  Dave





  On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, John Cyganowski <janah@att.net> =
wrote:

    <snip> I have been trying to track down the gremlin that's keeping =
my fuel and temp gauges from working. I'll start up the car and those =
two gauges don't function (the voltage and oil pressure gauges work =
fine). After maybe 15 or 20 minutes of
    driving, they'll suddenly kick on and stay on for the rest of the =
trip. Some trips, they
    don't come on at all. <snip>


    David-


    Those 2 gauges are on the same power circuit.  Have someone sit in =
the car while idling, monitoring the gauges.


    You push on (I think the top terminals of the fuse box (I think)  =
See what that does.  If your gauges come up, then I think you need to =
replace the fuse box (not too expensive or difficult (getting the 2 =
screws out is the hard part.)


    The TR6 fuse boxes were riveted together.  After 40 years of =
vibration and corrosion, they sometimes fail.


    Regards-
    John Cyg
    CC92527LO
    70 Damson








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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Will dielectric grease =
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problem with oxidation on these contacts?</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3D6pack@autox.team.net =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>John=20
  Cyganowski via 6pack</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dforzion7@gmail.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:forzion7@gmail.com";>David Friedlander</A> ; <A=20
  title=3D6pack@autox.team.net =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6-Pack</A>=20
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 18, 2016 =
6:07=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [6pack] =
Intermittent=20
  ground?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica =
Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; COLOR: #000; =
FONT-SIZE: 16px">
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5131>Dave-</DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5117><BR></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5113>Glad it worked =
out.&nbsp; I was=20
  losing those instruments and devices intermittently among other =
issues.</DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5130><BR></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5128>Once I realized they =
were all on=20
  the same circuit, with some manipulation and they would come back only =
to go=20
  again.&nbsp; So I replaced the fuse box.&nbsp; This resolved about 95% =
of the=20
  issues.</DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5221><BR></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5180>Corrosion is maybe too =
strong a=20
  word - but oxidation will certainly occur over time and impact the=20
  contacts.</DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5232><BR></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5243>Best of Luck-</DIV>
  <DIV>John<BR></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5112><SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5129=20
class=3DqtdSeparateBR><BR><BR></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"DISPLAY: block" =
id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5006=20
  class=3Dyahoo_quoted>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, =
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  <DIV=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, =
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5003><FONT=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5002 size=3D2 face=3DArial>
  <HR SIZE=3D1>
  <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> David =
Friedlander=20
  &lt;forzion7@gmail.com&gt;<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> John Cyganowski=20
  &lt;janah@att.net&gt;; 6-Pack &lt;6pack@autox.team.net&gt; =
<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, August 17, =
2016 4:22=20
  PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: =
[6pack]=20
  Intermittent ground?<BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5247 =
class=3Dy_msg_container><BR>
  <DIV id=3Dyiv9259425532>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5246>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5245>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,153)"=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471517989764_5244=20
  class=3Dyiv9259425532gmail_default>Thanks, John. Your thought process =
on this is=20
  quite good. It turned out that the problem was solved this afternoon, =
by=20
  simply removing the fuse, lightly sanding its metal ends, then =
reinserting it=20
  into the fuse clips! I knew <I>something</I> was quite there when I =
measured=20
  zero volts on one end of the fuse and 12.65 on the other! Prior to =
that, the=20
  heater fan, the turn signals, the wipers, the brake lights and the two =
gauges=20
  didn't work. I re-inserted that fuse and it's like 20,000 volts into=20
  Frankenstein's monster. It LIVES! Being as the fuse box is relatively =
new, as=20
  are the fuses, it was hard to imagine (<U>or</U> <U>SEE</U>) <B>any=20
  </B>corrosion that could cause such chaos! All from one green circuit =
fuse!=20
  It's been a long tome since everything worked so having everything =
back at the=20
  same time is like having a party with old, long-lost friends! LOL!<BR=20
  clear=3Dnone><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,153)"=20
  class=3Dyiv9259425532gmail_default>Special kudos to IM Sloane for =
helping me=20
  think through this latest 'adventure'....<BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,153)"=20
  class=3Dyiv9259425532gmail_default><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,153)"=20
  class=3Dyiv9259425532gmail_default>Thanks for responding,<BR =
clear=3Dnone></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,153)"=20
  class=3Dyiv9259425532gmail_default><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,153)"=20
  class=3Dyiv9259425532gmail_default>Dave<BR clear=3Dnone><BR =
clear=3Dnone><BR=20
  clear=3Dnone></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyiv9259425532yqt07467 class=3Dyiv9259425532yqt3417277644>
  <DIV class=3Dyiv9259425532gmail_extra><BR clear=3Dnone>
  <DIV class=3Dyiv9259425532gmail_quote>On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, =
John=20
  Cyganowski <SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:janah@att.net"; =
shape=3Drect=20
  rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank=20
  ymailto=3D"mailto:janah@att.net";>janah@att.net</A>&gt;</SPAN> =
wrote:<BR=20
  clear=3Dnone>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20
  class=3Dyiv9259425532gmail_quote>
    <DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, =
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; COLOR: =
#000; FONT-SIZE: 16px">
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>&lt;snip&gt; I have been trying to track down the =
gremlin=20
    that's keeping my fuel and temp gauges from working. I'll start up =
the car=20
    and those two gauges don't function (the voltage and oil pressure =
gauges=20
    work fine). After maybe 15 or 20 minutes of<SPAN =
class=3Dyiv9259425532><BR=20
    clear=3Dnone>driving, they'll suddenly kick on and stay on for the =
rest of the=20
    trip. Some trips, they<BR clear=3Dnone></SPAN>don't come on at all.=20
    &lt;snip&gt;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>David-</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>Those 2 gauges are on the same power circuit.&nbsp; =
Have=20
    someone sit in the car while idling, monitoring the gauges.</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>You push on (I think the top terminals of the fuse =
box (I=20
    think)&nbsp; See what that does.&nbsp; If your gauges come up, then =
I think=20
    you need to replace the fuse box (not too expensive or difficult =
(getting=20
    the 2 screws out is the hard part.)</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>The TR6 fuse boxes were riveted together.&nbsp; After =
40 years=20
    of vibration and corrosion, they sometimes fail.</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR clear=3Dnone></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>Regards-</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>John Cyg</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>CC92527LO</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>70 Damson<BR =
clear=3Dnone></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR=20
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clear=3Dnone></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DI=
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