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Thank you to everybody who provided advise.
Got it up in the air on Friday and saw evidence that the driver side spring=
/shackle locating pin/bolt had sheared and that the bottom leaf of the spri=
ng was sliding back and forth. Not sure how I missed this on previous insp=
ection, it was pretty obvious.
Got the spring out today, locating pin/bolt had sheared and fallen out, to=
p part was about 1/2" long and remained in place by gravity. All of the l=
eafs were kind of moving fore and aft and side to side independently of one=
another.
Fabricated a new pin/bolt using a grade 5 bolt and the welder/bench grinder=
, put it back together and the test drive was a resounding success.
Jonas
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Michael Salter =
<michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2024 10:16 AM
To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering Jiggle on and off throttle
I agree with all that Bob has said however I would add that rear wheel driv=
e cars can exhibit a type of "torque steer" when the spring center bolt hea=
d is not correctly engaged in the hole in the spring mount plate of the rea=
r axle.
I realize that the subject vehicle is a BJ8 so the following comment is rea=
lly directed at BN1 owners and is not applicable in this case however, the =
head of the center bolt of the currently available 100 rear springs is not =
long enough to protrude through the axle alignment wedge and engage in the =
axle locating hole in the spring mounting plate of the rear axle. This can,=
particularly if the spring "U" bolts have loosened off, result in the axle=
sliding back under heavy braking with disastrous consequences.
M
On Thu., Aug. 15, 2024, 9:41 a.m. Bob Spidell via Healeys, <healeys@autox.t=
No one's tackled this yet, so I'll take a stab. This sounds a little bit li=
ke 'torque steer' that some FWD cars have (though it's been largely elimina=
ted in newer FWD cars). Healeys, of course, are RWD so it's not that, and I=
've not experienced nor heard of this problem in a Healey. The front suspen=
sion isn't linked to the drive train in any way, so I'd check engine mounts=
; it's conceivable, but not likely the rocking of the engine could cause it=
to hit the steering column (the carbs are pretty close to it). If the chas=
sis is somehow tweaked it might cause some tracking issues, though it would=
likely be under all conditions. Presumably, you've checked to assure the s=
teering box is properly anchored?
That's all I got.
Bob
On 8/14/2024 7:45 PM, JONAS PAYNE wrote:
I have an early BJ8 that has been thoroughly gone through. Pretty much new=
everything. Recently I have experienced a jiggle/pull in steering when ge=
tting on and off throttle, admittedly with a heavy right foot. Doesn't ne=
cessarily pull to one side or the other, just jiggles a moment. It's an on=
/off throttle thing, doesn't do it when braking.
I've checked the rear - everything seems tight, and all bushings have been =
replaced. motor mounts are good, transmission tension rod/bushings are goo=
d. little or no play in the front end, all new there too. Front end ali=
gnment appears to be good. Steering box is properly adjusted and has norma=
l "play" for a cam and peg box as with my TR3's and Morgan + 4's.
It isn't dangerous, but it doesn't feel right. That said, for all I know=
, it's part of the "vintage healey experience". I have 5 other vintage bri=
tish sports cars and each has their own issues that are part of their charm=
.
Would appreciate anybody's experiences thoughts.
Jonas
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Got it up in the air on Friday and saw evidence that the driver side spring=
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t, top part was about 1/2" long and remained in place by gravity. =
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 15, 2024 10:16 AM<br>
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<div dir=3D"auto">I agree with all that Bob has said however I would add th=
at rear wheel drive cars can exhibit a type of "torque steer" whe=
n the spring center bolt head is not correctly engaged in the hole in the s=
pring mount plate of the rear axle.
<div dir=3D"auto">I realize that the subject vehicle is a BJ8 so the follow=
ing comment is really directed at BN1 owners and is not applicable in this =
case however, the head of the center bolt of the currently available 100 re=
ar springs is not long enough to protrude
through the axle alignment wedge and engage in the axle locating hole in t=
he spring mounting plate of the rear axle. This can, particularly if the sp=
ring "U" bolts have loosened off, result in the axle sliding back=
under heavy braking with disastrous consequences. </div>
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ob Spidell via Healeys, <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>heale=
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<div>No one's tackled this yet, so I'll take a stab. This sounds a little b=
it like 'torque steer' that some FWD cars have (though it's been largely el=
iminated in newer FWD cars). Healeys, of course, are RWD so it's not that, =
and I've not experienced nor heard
of this problem in a Healey. The front suspension isn't linked to the driv=
e train in any way, so I'd check engine mounts; it's conceivable, but not l=
ikely the rocking of the engine could cause it to hit the steering column (=
the carbs are pretty close to it).
If the chassis is somehow tweaked it might cause some tracking issues, tho=
ugh it would likely be under all conditions. Presumably, you've checked to =
assure the steering box is properly anchored?<br>
<br>
That's all I got.<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
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I have an early BJ8 that has been thoroughly gone through. Pretty muc=
h new everything. Recently I have experienced a jiggle/pull in steeri=
ng when getting on and off throttle, admittedly with a heavy right foot.&nb=
sp; Doesn't necessarily pull to one side or the
other, just jiggles a moment. It's an on/off throttle thing, doesn't=
do it when braking. </div>
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I've checked the rear - everything seems tight, and all bushings have been =
replaced. motor mounts are good, transmission tension rod/bushings ar=
e good. little or no play in the front end, all new there too. =
Front end alignment appears to be good. Steering
box is properly adjusted and has normal "play" for a cam and peg=
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It isn't dangerous, but it doesn't feel right. That said, for =
all I know, it's part of the "vintage healey experience". I=
have 5 other vintage british sports cars and each has their own issues tha=
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